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	<title>Comments on: Both tax and spending need attention</title>
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		<title>By: Seán Ó Riain</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/03/04/both-tax-and-spending-need-attention/#comment-1922</link>
		<dc:creator>Seán Ó Riain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Graham, is there anywhere we can find more detailed analysis of the per capita figures? 

There is also a serious danger in relying on current spending to assess the needed level of spending in Ireland (barring for deficit calculation purposes) - the deficit in accumulated spending over the years is enormous (particularly as a high % of expenditure in the 90s was debt repayments). So the underlying level of resources is much weaker than in many countries with similar levels of spending (all those mising libraries, computers in schools, community centres etc - and roads of course...). Not that relevant in terms of immediate balancing the books but highly relevant when thinking about 'waste' and medium to long term development. 

Also, to really figure out how to square the tax and expenditure sides we would need to make some assessments of changes in GDP and in the tax take from GDP. Both are highly uncertain at the moment but it should be possible to work through some altrnative scenarios. Anybody got any good ideas/ data on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Graham, is there anywhere we can find more detailed analysis of the per capita figures? </p>
<p>There is also a serious danger in relying on current spending to assess the needed level of spending in Ireland (barring for deficit calculation purposes) - the deficit in accumulated spending over the years is enormous (particularly as a high % of expenditure in the 90s was debt repayments). So the underlying level of resources is much weaker than in many countries with similar levels of spending (all those mising libraries, computers in schools, community centres etc - and roads of course&#8230;). Not that relevant in terms of immediate balancing the books but highly relevant when thinking about &#8216;waste&#8217; and medium to long term development. </p>
<p>Also, to really figure out how to square the tax and expenditure sides we would need to make some assessments of changes in GDP and in the tax take from GDP. Both are highly uncertain at the moment but it should be possible to work through some altrnative scenarios. Anybody got any good ideas/ data on that?</p>
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		<title>By: Ciaran</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/03/04/both-tax-and-spending-need-attention/#comment-1920</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's fair to say that expenditure needs more attention than tax. What I don't understand is the reticence of people to reach that conclusion. I think the penny is dropping with the government though, partly because they've so little room to move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s fair to say that expenditure needs more attention than tax. What I don&#8217;t understand is the reticence of people to reach that conclusion. I think the penny is dropping with the government though, partly because they&#8217;ve so little room to move.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Stull</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/03/04/both-tax-and-spending-need-attention/#comment-1919</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Stull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

I agree that the above graphs seem to lead us to this conclusion, and that is exactly my problem with the way these graphs present the problem. If you look at per capita figures, you get the impression that expenditure has increased moderately while tax revenues have fallen rather drastically.

Then it is fair to say, tax needs more attention than expenditure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>I agree that the above graphs seem to lead us to this conclusion, and that is exactly my problem with the way these graphs present the problem. If you look at per capita figures, you get the impression that expenditure has increased moderately while tax revenues have fallen rather drastically.</p>
<p>Then it is fair to say, tax needs more attention than expenditure.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expenditure as a percentage of GDP has soared while tax revenue has remained pretty constant.

Would it be fair to say that expenditure needs more attention than tax?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expenditure as a percentage of GDP has soared while tax revenue has remained pretty constant.</p>
<p>Would it be fair to say that expenditure needs more attention than tax?</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Stull</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/03/04/both-tax-and-spending-need-attention/#comment-1908</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Stull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be useful to look at per capita figures - Ireland has experienced a significant increase in population: 22% growth from 96 to 06 - which puts strain on the public purse. Of course, this will push down the slopes of both your spending and tax lines, but at least that way you can get a truer sense of which side of the accounts the blame for the structural deficit lies on.

While not explicitly mentioned in this post, there is also a worrying tendency among contributors to this blog to studiously ignore the capital side of the budget, as if current spending was necessarily public sector waste and building lots of train tunnels and roads automatically equated to a positive return on investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be useful to look at per capita figures - Ireland has experienced a significant increase in population: 22% growth from 96 to 06 - which puts strain on the public purse. Of course, this will push down the slopes of both your spending and tax lines, but at least that way you can get a truer sense of which side of the accounts the blame for the structural deficit lies on.</p>
<p>While not explicitly mentioned in this post, there is also a worrying tendency among contributors to this blog to studiously ignore the capital side of the budget, as if current spending was necessarily public sector waste and building lots of train tunnels and roads automatically equated to a positive return on investment.</p>
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