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	<title>Comments on: The IMF and Institutional Reform in Ireland</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Bloggs</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/06/24/the-imf-and-institutional-reform-in-ireland/#comment-15567</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Bloggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't know about the rest of you but I wouldn't be lauding any recommendations by the IMF.  It's historical record is that of a *destabilizing* force for national economies.  And the strings attached to the money it lends usually decimate the wealth of the average citizen.  Please have a close look at all the countries the IMF has touched in its short history before welcoming it with open arms!

Looked at in another light, the first recommendation above codifies a fire-sale for bankrupt banks.  Given the fractional reserve nature of our banking system, it would be relatively easy to predatorily cause a "bank run" on an Irish bank that would allow a bridge bank (read as: a temporary bank controlled by international bank interests) to pick up the assets for cents on the euro.  This is not a good thing for Ireland.

Similarly, the second recommendation, "expense reduction", could be anything.  I'd prefer the decision of what gets cut to be decided by *our* politicians, who are at least answerable to us through elections, rather than by a liberal / neocon washington-based group who don't really care about the Irish electorate.  Recommendations for privatization would ultimately put control of Irish utilities in international investors, who demonstrably care about nothing more than maximizing (&#38; re-patriating!) profit.  Full stop.

In the past, the IMF has imposed water privitization on 12 countries which *always* results in higher costs to consumers, and even tried to privatize rainwater collection in Bolivia!!!  When the Bolivian people revolted, Bechtel (the US company awarded the water rights) sued the Bolivian government for $25 million.  This figure was far in excess of what Bechtel had invested in Bolivia but they sued for lost "projected profits" from the water monopoly.

Is this really the kind of "help" we need in this country???

http://www.economicshelp.org/2008/11/criticism-of-imf.html
http://www.50years.org/cms/ejn/story/85</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know about the rest of you but I wouldn&#8217;t be lauding any recommendations by the IMF.  It&#8217;s historical record is that of a *destabilizing* force for national economies.  And the strings attached to the money it lends usually decimate the wealth of the average citizen.  Please have a close look at all the countries the IMF has touched in its short history before welcoming it with open arms!</p>
<p>Looked at in another light, the first recommendation above codifies a fire-sale for bankrupt banks.  Given the fractional reserve nature of our banking system, it would be relatively easy to predatorily cause a &#8220;bank run&#8221; on an Irish bank that would allow a bridge bank (read as: a temporary bank controlled by international bank interests) to pick up the assets for cents on the euro.  This is not a good thing for Ireland.</p>
<p>Similarly, the second recommendation, &#8220;expense reduction&#8221;, could be anything.  I&#8217;d prefer the decision of what gets cut to be decided by *our* politicians, who are at least answerable to us through elections, rather than by a liberal / neocon washington-based group who don&#8217;t really care about the Irish electorate.  Recommendations for privatization would ultimately put control of Irish utilities in international investors, who demonstrably care about nothing more than maximizing (&amp; re-patriating!) profit.  Full stop.</p>
<p>In the past, the IMF has imposed water privitization on 12 countries which *always* results in higher costs to consumers, and even tried to privatize rainwater collection in Bolivia!!!  When the Bolivian people revolted, Bechtel (the US company awarded the water rights) sued the Bolivian government for $25 million.  This figure was far in excess of what Bechtel had invested in Bolivia but they sued for lost &#8220;projected profits&#8221; from the water monopoly.</p>
<p>Is this really the kind of &#8220;help&#8221; we need in this country???</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicshelp.org/2008/11/criticism-of-imf.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.economicshelp.org/2008/11/criticism-of-imf.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.50years.org/cms/ejn/story/85" rel="nofollow">http://www.50years.org/cms/ejn/story/85</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donal O'Brolchain</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/06/24/the-imf-and-institutional-reform-in-ireland/#comment-9490</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal O'Brolchain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin
As we tend to compare our way of doing things with Britain (from which state we have inherited so much), you may be interested in the FTimes article "Why we need the separation of powers" by a former Head of the Home Civil Service and Cabinet Secretary

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/73f524ca-4faa-11de-a692-00144feabdc0.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin<br />
As we tend to compare our way of doing things with Britain (from which state we have inherited so much), you may be interested in the FTimes article &#8220;Why we need the separation of powers&#8221; by a former Head of the Home Civil Service and Cabinet Secretary</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/73f524ca-4faa-11de-a692-00144feabdc0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/73f524ca-4faa-11de-a692-00144feabdc0.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin O'Rourke</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/06/24/the-imf-and-institutional-reform-in-ireland/#comment-9485</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin O'Rourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>many thanks Donal. Personally I think this crisis is a good opportunity to have a root and branch look at Ireland's institutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>many thanks Donal. Personally I think this crisis is a good opportunity to have a root and branch look at Ireland&#8217;s institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal O'Brolchain</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/06/24/the-imf-and-institutional-reform-in-ireland/#comment-9484</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal O'Brolchain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin
Excuse my omitting the link to the original separation of powers paper

http://193.120.95.144/politics/design-for-democracy.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin<br />
Excuse my omitting the link to the original separation of powers paper</p>
<p><a href="http://193.120.95.144/politics/design-for-democracy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://193.120.95.144/politics/design-for-democracy.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin O'Rourke</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/06/24/the-imf-and-institutional-reform-in-ireland/#comment-9481</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin O'Rourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Donal, thanks for the link. Institutions, political economy and so on are now at the heart of the empirical literature on economic growth, so I imagine lots of people on this site would be interested in this sort of stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Donal, thanks for the link. Institutions, political economy and so on are now at the heart of the empirical literature on economic growth, so I imagine lots of people on this site would be interested in this sort of stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal O'Brolchain</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/06/24/the-imf-and-institutional-reform-in-ireland/#comment-9476</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal O'Brolchain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin
As we looked at the precipice earlier during your adult lifetime, three of us did some thinking and writing about how we govern ourselves.

Those responsible (Elaine Byrne, Matt Wall and Jane Suiter) for the Irish Political Reform Conference in TCD on Monday 22 June 2009, were kind enough to post one paper and links to three other papers here

http://irishpoliticalreform.wordpress.com/donal-obrolchain-paper/

the thinking was explicitly focused on how we govern ourselves, which is wider than what I understand this site prefers to focus on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin<br />
As we looked at the precipice earlier during your adult lifetime, three of us did some thinking and writing about how we govern ourselves.</p>
<p>Those responsible (Elaine Byrne, Matt Wall and Jane Suiter) for the Irish Political Reform Conference in TCD on Monday 22 June 2009, were kind enough to post one paper and links to three other papers here</p>
<p><a href="http://irishpoliticalreform.wordpress.com/donal-obrolchain-paper/" rel="nofollow">http://irishpoliticalreform.wordpress.com/donal-obrolchain-paper/</a></p>
<p>the thinking was explicitly focused on how we govern ourselves, which is wider than what I understand this site prefers to focus on.</p>
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		<title>By: IMF report on Ireland, competitiveness, wages, taxes and public expenditure &#124; Ronan Lyons</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/06/24/the-imf-and-institutional-reform-in-ireland/#comment-9450</link>
		<dc:creator>IMF report on Ireland, competitiveness, wages, taxes and public expenditure &#124; Ronan Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the last section on the Exchequer. I&#8217;ll leave the middle section to the experts, for example this discussion on irisheconomy.ie, and will focus my comments on the first and last [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the last section on the Exchequer. I&#8217;ll leave the middle section to the experts, for example this discussion on irisheconomy.ie, and will focus my comments on the first and last [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zhou_enlai</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/06/24/the-imf-and-institutional-reform-in-ireland/#comment-9441</link>
		<dc:creator>zhou_enlai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K.O'R. is absolutely correct.   There are underlying problems here:

- Lack of political oversight (see political reform post)
- Too big to fail (see post linkin Willem Buiter)
- Too complex to exist http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/06/14/too_complex_to_exist/?page=full
- Animal spirits, behavioural economics, the myth of Econ-man (aka the stupidity of humans) [Thaler, Shiller etc]
- Failures of regulation
- Derivatives et al

We need systems that we can regulate, that people of average intelligence can understand, which democratic institutions can oversee and make accountable, which are not too big to fail, which are not too interlinked and which are based on real industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K.O&#8217;R. is absolutely correct.   There are underlying problems here:</p>
<p>- Lack of political oversight (see political reform post)<br />
- Too big to fail (see post linkin Willem Buiter)<br />
- Too complex to exist <a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/06/14/too_complex_to_exist/?page=full" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/06/14/too_complex_to_exist/?page=full</a><br />
- Animal spirits, behavioural economics, the myth of Econ-man (aka the stupidity of humans) [Thaler, Shiller etc]<br />
- Failures of regulation<br />
- Derivatives et al</p>
<p>We need systems that we can regulate, that people of average intelligence can understand, which democratic institutions can oversee and make accountable, which are not too big to fail, which are not too interlinked and which are based on real industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin O’Rourke</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/06/24/the-imf-and-institutional-reform-in-ireland/#comment-9436</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin O’Rourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't approve of the German fiscal rule that Wolfgang Munchau has been writing about, and so can hardly approve of a fixed numerical rule in the Irish context either (i.e. legally binding limits on deficits irrespective of the state of the economy). 

But, this is the second time that the country has been brought to the precipice in my adult lifetime, and so there is surely a case to be made that we need some sort of institutional reform. Different electoral system? A second republic? New relationships between government ministries? I don't know what the solution is but something has got to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t approve of the German fiscal rule that Wolfgang Munchau has been writing about, and so can hardly approve of a fixed numerical rule in the Irish context either (i.e. legally binding limits on deficits irrespective of the state of the economy). </p>
<p>But, this is the second time that the country has been brought to the precipice in my adult lifetime, and so there is surely a case to be made that we need some sort of institutional reform. Different electoral system? A second republic? New relationships between government ministries? I don&#8217;t know what the solution is but something has got to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A statutory fiscal rule.... ugh we all know how easy it is to subvert these sort of rules. Brazil and Argentina introduced these sort of fiscal responsibility laws in the 1990s. Bottom line: it didn't turn out well for them. The legal system is not really the best way to get politicians to basically do the right thing. There are other ways to hold politicians to account. 

It would be nice if we could introduce laws that made everyone do the right thing all the time. If only government was so simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A statutory fiscal rule&#8230;. ugh we all know how easy it is to subvert these sort of rules. Brazil and Argentina introduced these sort of fiscal responsibility laws in the 1990s. Bottom line: it didn&#8217;t turn out well for them. The legal system is not really the best way to get politicians to basically do the right thing. There are other ways to hold politicians to account. </p>
<p>It would be nice if we could introduce laws that made everyone do the right thing all the time. If only government was so simple.</p>
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		<title>By: zhou_enlai</title>
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		<dc:creator>zhou_enlai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: A statutory fiscal rule

Where would we be with a statutory fiscal rule that only allowed deficits of 5%?   Would most of the contributors to this site be out of a job?   This strikes me as a crazy idea in the context of a country subject to the vicissitudes of a global economy beyond its control.

The question must also be asked whether the IMF would like such rules to be granted the status of international law further down the line?
Monetary systems and economic systems are abstract tools for the operation of civil society.   They must be adjusted to match the reality of a world undergoing huge physical and scientific changes.   To put legal barriers in the way of such adjustments makes no sense, especially when we are told that the only thing that has saved us from another great depression now has been the nimbleness of States in reacting to the problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: A statutory fiscal rule</p>
<p>Where would we be with a statutory fiscal rule that only allowed deficits of 5%?   Would most of the contributors to this site be out of a job?   This strikes me as a crazy idea in the context of a country subject to the vicissitudes of a global economy beyond its control.</p>
<p>The question must also be asked whether the IMF would like such rules to be granted the status of international law further down the line?<br />
Monetary systems and economic systems are abstract tools for the operation of civil society.   They must be adjusted to match the reality of a world undergoing huge physical and scientific changes.   To put legal barriers in the way of such adjustments makes no sense, especially when we are told that the only thing that has saved us from another great depression now has been the nimbleness of States in reacting to the problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Donnelly</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/06/24/the-imf-and-institutional-reform-in-ireland/#comment-9408</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Donnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The IMF seems to think that all of the banks are gone. Well said IMF!
We still need a clearing system as I have said before. The liquidation of the assets and liabilities is not going to be a going concern, as it will not take long......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IMF seems to think that all of the banks are gone. Well said IMF!<br />
We still need a clearing system as I have said before. The liquidation of the assets and liabilities is not going to be a going concern, as it will not take long&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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