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		<title>By: zhou_enlai</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/07/21/revenons-a-nos-moutonspatates/#comment-10803</link>
		<dc:creator>zhou_enlai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will we be having a similar debate as to whether starvation curbs population growth ir whether population growth causes starvation?

As big a problem as the potato blight is, I'd prefer to have a UN sponsored year of the potato than a UN sponsored year of starvation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will we be having a similar debate as to whether starvation curbs population growth ir whether population growth causes starvation?</p>
<p>As big a problem as the potato blight is, I&#8217;d prefer to have a UN sponsored year of the potato than a UN sponsored year of starvation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jer</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/07/21/revenons-a-nos-moutonspatates/#comment-10750</link>
		<dc:creator>Jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an issue thats very difficult for Irish people to analyse independently.

Amartya Sen's famous work on the Bengal famine reached a conclusion that it would not be possible to reach regarding ireland's famine. 

Thats as much because of a desire not to be seen as simply engaging in bashing the political arrangement at the time. 

Certainly bad history is history that pre-judges its analysis based on political theories; equally bad is the tendency to avoid the fairly central issue of Ireland's position in the UK at the time and how Ireland was governed and the function that Ireland was expected to fulfill vis-vis the wider economy such that Irish exports of calves, livestock (except pigs), bacon and ham actually increased during the famine.

IS that a fair comment? That in order to avoid appearing political there has been a tendency to ignore the political causes of the famine.

Is there a review of what the population would be if the potato had not entered the mix; which is equally true of all european nations of course</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an issue thats very difficult for Irish people to analyse independently.</p>
<p>Amartya Sen&#8217;s famous work on the Bengal famine reached a conclusion that it would not be possible to reach regarding ireland&#8217;s famine. </p>
<p>Thats as much because of a desire not to be seen as simply engaging in bashing the political arrangement at the time. </p>
<p>Certainly bad history is history that pre-judges its analysis based on political theories; equally bad is the tendency to avoid the fairly central issue of Ireland&#8217;s position in the UK at the time and how Ireland was governed and the function that Ireland was expected to fulfill vis-vis the wider economy such that Irish exports of calves, livestock (except pigs), bacon and ham actually increased during the famine.</p>
<p>IS that a fair comment? That in order to avoid appearing political there has been a tendency to ignore the political causes of the famine.</p>
<p>Is there a review of what the population would be if the potato had not entered the mix; which is equally true of all european nations of course</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Donnelly</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/07/21/revenons-a-nos-moutonspatates/#comment-10745</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Donnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ireland    1840   8 million population  1940   5 million
England   1840 10 million population  1940 44 million</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ireland    1840   8 million population  1940   5 million<br />
England   1840 10 million population  1940 44 million</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dowling</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/07/21/revenons-a-nos-moutonspatates/#comment-10731</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Dowling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... a link on Irish Economy... discuss... got to be that one right? ... clickety...

That's odd.  Not Fintan O'Toole's broadside against the ABSN committee makeup and his opinion as to their prejudices.  An article about the potato.

O-kay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; a link on Irish Economy&#8230; discuss&#8230; got to be that one right? &#8230; clickety&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s odd.  Not Fintan O&#8217;Toole&#8217;s broadside against the ABSN committee makeup and his opinion as to their prejudices.  An article about the potato.</p>
<p>O-kay.</p>
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		<title>By: Cormac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cormac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In due course, maybe.  

The paper recalls an old controversy in the Irish historiography about the pre-famine population-potato nexus.  Louis Cullen published a paper with the provocative title 'Irish history without the potato' in Past &#38; Present in 1968, followed by Joel Mokyr's 'Irish History with the Potato' in Irish Economic &#38; Social History in 1981.  Cullen argued in Boserupian fashion that population growth 'caused' the spread of the potato, Mokyr that the potato 'caused' population to grow.  Good papers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In due course, maybe.  </p>
<p>The paper recalls an old controversy in the Irish historiography about the pre-famine population-potato nexus.  Louis Cullen published a paper with the provocative title &#8216;Irish history without the potato&#8217; in Past &amp; Present in 1968, followed by Joel Mokyr&#8217;s &#8216;Irish History with the Potato&#8217; in Irish Economic &amp; Social History in 1981.  Cullen argued in Boserupian fashion that population growth &#8217;caused&#8217; the spread of the potato, Mokyr that the potato &#8217;caused&#8217; population to grow.  Good papers!</p>
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		<title>By: Póló</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/07/21/revenons-a-nos-moutonspatates/#comment-10715</link>
		<dc:creator>Póló</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us not forget les caboches, rich in iron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us not forget les caboches, rich in iron.</p>
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