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		<title>By: Seamus Grimes</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/08/18/competitiveness-benchmarking-report/#comment-18930</link>
		<dc:creator>Seamus Grimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of metrics for competitiveness, a figure I find very interesting, but which is not to be found in the NCC report, is the rate of return on investment by US companies in Ireland.

A 2005 figure from 'Economic and Budget Issue Brief' of the Congressional Budget Office gives a figure of 7.6% for US-Owned Assets Abroad (Direct Investment).

I have seen recent references to the figure for Ireland as being 19%, down from about 24% five years ago.

Is this differential explained in terms of low corporation tax rates together with transfer pricing?

I have yet to see a paper by any Irish academic explaining how US subsidiaries in Ireland are so profitable, despite our weak 'competitiveness'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of metrics for competitiveness, a figure I find very interesting, but which is not to be found in the NCC report, is the rate of return on investment by US companies in Ireland.</p>
<p>A 2005 figure from &#8216;Economic and Budget Issue Brief&#8217; of the Congressional Budget Office gives a figure of 7.6% for US-Owned Assets Abroad (Direct Investment).</p>
<p>I have seen recent references to the figure for Ireland as being 19%, down from about 24% five years ago.</p>
<p>Is this differential explained in terms of low corporation tax rates together with transfer pricing?</p>
<p>I have yet to see a paper by any Irish academic explaining how US subsidiaries in Ireland are so profitable, despite our weak &#8216;competitiveness&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Donal O'Brolchain:
Donal, I agree, and a lot of the material I contributed has been rendered irrelevant by "the events" of 2007/8.  None the less, the exercise involved a considerable input by serious (mostly Germanic!) scholars - and some brilliant software development -  but is seems to have vanished without a trace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Donal O&#8217;Brolchain:<br />
Donal, I agree, and a lot of the material I contributed has been rendered irrelevant by &#8220;the events&#8221; of 2007/8.  None the less, the exercise involved a considerable input by serious (mostly Germanic!) scholars - and some brilliant software development -  but is seems to have vanished without a trace.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal O'Brolchain</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/08/18/competitiveness-benchmarking-report/#comment-12648</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal O'Brolchain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brendan Walsh

http://www.sgi-network.org/

It is seriously dated.  Bertie Ahern is still shown as Taoiseach.
If this is so for one easily verified fact, how reliable is any other evidence on Ireland or any other country for that matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brendan Walsh</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sgi-network.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sgi-network.org/</a></p>
<p>It is seriously dated.  Bertie Ahern is still shown as Taoiseach.<br />
If this is so for one easily verified fact, how reliable is any other evidence on Ireland or any other country for that matter?</p>
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		<title>By: Another John M</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/08/18/competitiveness-benchmarking-report/#comment-12609</link>
		<dc:creator>Another John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frank.
Excellent point. It would be naive to think international investors ignore corruption in making their decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank.<br />
Excellent point. It would be naive to think international investors ignore corruption in making their decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hunt</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/08/18/competitiveness-benchmarking-report/#comment-12606</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ronnie,

I don't think we are in disagreement.  All I was pointing out in my earlier post is that if there are implicit taxes and rent-gouging (resulting from ineffective - or an ineffective application of - competiton and regulatory policy) that increase the cost of doing business, they should be stripped out.  I don't see this as a panacea to enhance economic performance and competitiveness; it's just something that should be done.  I fully accept that a more complex set of factors has a greater bearing and I'm simply interested in seeing how the increased quantification of some of these factors might guide effective policy interventions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ronnie,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we are in disagreement.  All I was pointing out in my earlier post is that if there are implicit taxes and rent-gouging (resulting from ineffective - or an ineffective application of - competiton and regulatory policy) that increase the cost of doing business, they should be stripped out.  I don&#8217;t see this as a panacea to enhance economic performance and competitiveness; it&#8217;s just something that should be done.  I fully accept that a more complex set of factors has a greater bearing and I&#8217;m simply interested in seeing how the increased quantification of some of these factors might guide effective policy interventions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie O'Toole</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/08/18/competitiveness-benchmarking-report/#comment-12600</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronnie O'Toole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, shouldn't have directed this last post at Pat, who mentions infrastructure and workforce, but instead Paul Hunt. 

Paul, the stats in the NCC report on many aspects related to our export performance and competitiveness are clearly not understood based on the posts I have seen on this blog site over the last year. if it takes a little work to learn about these important factors, then so be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, shouldn&#8217;t have directed this last post at Pat, who mentions infrastructure and workforce, but instead Paul Hunt. </p>
<p>Paul, the stats in the NCC report on many aspects related to our export performance and competitiveness are clearly not understood based on the posts I have seen on this blog site over the last year. if it takes a little work to learn about these important factors, then so be it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie O'Toole</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/08/18/competitiveness-benchmarking-report/#comment-12597</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronnie O'Toole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pat,

Competitiveness means many, many things, and cost is just one element. If cost was the predominant factor, then forget the Finnish and Danish examples, we should all be mirroring Zimbabwean industrial policy. 

Unfortunately, the two elements that are easiest for lazy analysts to track (non-wage costs and exchange rates) are negative for Ireland now, as the NCC report shows. Also unfortunately, rather than do real thinking about the export sector, most domestic and international economists start and end with the Real Exchange Rate, which only judges these two factors.

The value of the NCC report is that it shines a light on other very important competitiveness factors such as regulatory environment, infrastructure, tax rates etc, as well as highlighting measurements of actual performance, such as Ireland's ability to attract Greenfield FDI etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pat,</p>
<p>Competitiveness means many, many things, and cost is just one element. If cost was the predominant factor, then forget the Finnish and Danish examples, we should all be mirroring Zimbabwean industrial policy. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the two elements that are easiest for lazy analysts to track (non-wage costs and exchange rates) are negative for Ireland now, as the NCC report shows. Also unfortunately, rather than do real thinking about the export sector, most domestic and international economists start and end with the Real Exchange Rate, which only judges these two factors.</p>
<p>The value of the NCC report is that it shines a light on other very important competitiveness factors such as regulatory environment, infrastructure, tax rates etc, as well as highlighting measurements of actual performance, such as Ireland&#8217;s ability to attract Greenfield FDI etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hunt</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/08/18/competitiveness-benchmarking-report/#comment-12595</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ronan L,

Not diasgreeing with increased quantification, simply looking at how this plethora of metrics may be used to identify interventions that will generate the biggest bang for rapidly diminishing bucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ronan L,</p>
<p>Not diasgreeing with increased quantification, simply looking at how this plethora of metrics may be used to identify interventions that will generate the biggest bang for rapidly diminishing bucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Donnelly</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/08/18/competitiveness-benchmarking-report/#comment-12594</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Donnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Competitiveness usually means lower costs, and a suitable workforce and infrastructure. But only some industries are actually mobile and able to relocate.

As Frank Galton says there are unknowns. These are in fact very well knowns via the worldwide accounting and consultancy companies that thrive in Ireland and can act as recruiters for such industries. This might explain why so many contracts are awarded to these companies by the government. There is an important strategic role played by these companies. They are after all very familiar with tax and other policies and unofficial matters that do not appear in glossy brochures. We compete with Scotland Singapore etc for these industries. 

Do we incentivize these companies, whose audit arms are so fallible, adequately? Appropriately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Competitiveness usually means lower costs, and a suitable workforce and infrastructure. But only some industries are actually mobile and able to relocate.</p>
<p>As Frank Galton says there are unknowns. These are in fact very well knowns via the worldwide accounting and consultancy companies that thrive in Ireland and can act as recruiters for such industries. This might explain why so many contracts are awarded to these companies by the government. There is an important strategic role played by these companies. They are after all very familiar with tax and other policies and unofficial matters that do not appear in glossy brochures. We compete with Scotland Singapore etc for these industries. </p>
<p>Do we incentivize these companies, whose audit arms are so fallible, adequately? Appropriately?</p>
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		<title>By: Ste</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/08/18/competitiveness-benchmarking-report/#comment-12592</link>
		<dc:creator>Ste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of stats overload... we do seem to be less miserable these days. 

&lt;a href="http://www.statusireland.com/statistics/finacial-statistics-for-ireland/40/Misery-Index-for-Ireland.html" title="Misery Index" rel="nofollow"&gt;Misery Index&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of stats overload&#8230; we do seem to be less miserable these days. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.statusireland.com/statistics/finacial-statistics-for-ireland/40/Misery-Index-for-Ireland.html" title="Misery Index" rel="nofollow">Misery Index</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ronan L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronan L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul
That's a fair enough comment about stats overload, and I'm pretty sure the Secretariat are on top of their brief, but tapping the wisdom of the crowds in costless way, like this forum, is probably no harm.
As the world becomes more instrumented, more and more is becoming measurable and thus the set of measurable factors intersects a little better with the set of factors that should be measured - e.g. no index of competitiveness would have included quantitative measures of administrative burden 10 years ago but all do/should now, using things such as the World Bank's Doing Business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul<br />
That&#8217;s a fair enough comment about stats overload, and I&#8217;m pretty sure the Secretariat are on top of their brief, but tapping the wisdom of the crowds in costless way, like this forum, is probably no harm.<br />
As the world becomes more instrumented, more and more is becoming measurable and thus the set of measurable factors intersects a little better with the set of factors that should be measured - e.g. no index of competitiveness would have included quantitative measures of administrative burden 10 years ago but all do/should now, using things such as the World Bank&#8217;s Doing Business.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frank Galton

You might be interested in the "Sustainable Governance Indicators" produced by a group sponsored by the Bertelsmann Stiftung.  (I served as a "country expert" for Ireland.)
It is available here:  http://www.sgi-network.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank Galton</p>
<p>You might be interested in the &#8220;Sustainable Governance Indicators&#8221; produced by a group sponsored by the Bertelsmann Stiftung.  (I served as a &#8220;country expert&#8221; for Ireland.)<br />
It is available here:  <a href="http://www.sgi-network.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sgi-network.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Frank Galton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Galton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One omission from this report is any discussion of governance or corruption.  Of course one can claim that "competiveness" is essentially an issue of costs.  But the focus of the report is on potential investors in Ireland and in that respect, events of recent years (if not decades) must have left a few foreign investors wondering exactly what kind of government they would be dealing with.  Or what kind of banks they would be dealing with.  Does an investor have to be politically connected to, for example, get big loans, get planning permission, or avoid prosecution for certain offences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One omission from this report is any discussion of governance or corruption.  Of course one can claim that &#8220;competiveness&#8221; is essentially an issue of costs.  But the focus of the report is on potential investors in Ireland and in that respect, events of recent years (if not decades) must have left a few foreign investors wondering exactly what kind of government they would be dealing with.  Or what kind of banks they would be dealing with.  Does an investor have to be politically connected to, for example, get big loans, get planning permission, or avoid prosecution for certain offences?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not too sure about new metrics.  We run the risk of statistical overload.  What might be interesting - though it could be effort and time-consuming - is some high-level impact assessment on, say, standards of living and competitiveness that would examine the costs and benefits of improving our ranking in selected metrics.

Obviously we will have to wait for the second volume which will identify feasible policy actions, but, given the seriously straitened fiscal circumstances, it is unlikely that the resources will be available to finance meaningful and effective policy interventions.  In this context, however, some indication of key steps, costs and benefits for specific interventions might be useful, as some interventions might simply require the exercise of existing powers - or their more effective enforcement.  There is a requirement to give some substance to the Government's aspiration-loaded "Smart Economy" document from last year.

Having commented frequently on the continuing scandal of electricity and gas prices I will simply note that the Government could issue very simple directions to the relevant semi-states that would result in price reductions of up to 20% for gas and 10% for electricity rather than the 10% and 0% being proposed respectively from 1 October.

Despite the best intentions of the NCC I fear we are facing a protracted and jobless recovery and the gradual pick-up in the international economy will release the emigration safety valve.  Why can we not break this continuing cycle of losing those whom we need the most?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not too sure about new metrics.  We run the risk of statistical overload.  What might be interesting - though it could be effort and time-consuming - is some high-level impact assessment on, say, standards of living and competitiveness that would examine the costs and benefits of improving our ranking in selected metrics.</p>
<p>Obviously we will have to wait for the second volume which will identify feasible policy actions, but, given the seriously straitened fiscal circumstances, it is unlikely that the resources will be available to finance meaningful and effective policy interventions.  In this context, however, some indication of key steps, costs and benefits for specific interventions might be useful, as some interventions might simply require the exercise of existing powers - or their more effective enforcement.  There is a requirement to give some substance to the Government&#8217;s aspiration-loaded &#8220;Smart Economy&#8221; document from last year.</p>
<p>Having commented frequently on the continuing scandal of electricity and gas prices I will simply note that the Government could issue very simple directions to the relevant semi-states that would result in price reductions of up to 20% for gas and 10% for electricity rather than the 10% and 0% being proposed respectively from 1 October.</p>
<p>Despite the best intentions of the NCC I fear we are facing a protracted and jobless recovery and the gradual pick-up in the international economy will release the emigration safety valve.  Why can we not break this continuing cycle of losing those whom we need the most?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronan L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main contribution of the Benchmarking part of the NCC report is to provide a consolidated evidence base that informs public policy - and indeed public debate, on forums (fora?) such as this one.

In that regard, it's worth flicking through the report and seeing the 100+ criteria on which Ireland is benchmarked, across all the headings from Knowledge Infrastructure to Labour Supply.

As an ex-NCC staffer, I can hopefully still suggest that the guys in the NCC would also be keen to hear any thoughts on new metrics for benchmarking, as it is an evolving concept of competitiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main contribution of the Benchmarking part of the NCC report is to provide a consolidated evidence base that informs public policy - and indeed public debate, on forums (fora?) such as this one.</p>
<p>In that regard, it&#8217;s worth flicking through the report and seeing the 100+ criteria on which Ireland is benchmarked, across all the headings from Knowledge Infrastructure to Labour Supply.</p>
<p>As an ex-NCC staffer, I can hopefully still suggest that the guys in the NCC would also be keen to hear any thoughts on new metrics for benchmarking, as it is an evolving concept of competitiveness.</p>
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