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		<title>By: Gerard Sheehy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard Sheehy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 16:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I can't see a huge uptake on this particular product. IMHO the majority of money on deposit is probably there for fixed terms of less than one year, so I can't see how folk would suddenly be chompin at the bit for a 10 year term. There is too much uncertainty.

If folk do 'invest', I doubt that the majority will stay the distance. If they introduce a 'Series II' that has a more attractive rate of return, they may run the risk of cannibalising 'Series 1'.

The one noticable exclusion from this product V's other State Savings Schemes is the word 'Guaranteed'. A sop to the banks, perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I can&#8217;t see a huge uptake on this particular product. IMHO the majority of money on deposit is probably there for fixed terms of less than one year, so I can&#8217;t see how folk would suddenly be chompin at the bit for a 10 year term. There is too much uncertainty.</p>
<p>If folk do &#8216;invest&#8217;, I doubt that the majority will stay the distance. If they introduce a &#8216;Series II&#8217; that has a more attractive rate of return, they may run the risk of cannibalising &#8216;Series 1&#8242;.</p>
<p>The one noticable exclusion from this product V&#8217;s other State Savings Schemes is the word &#8216;Guaranteed&#8217;. A sop to the banks, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam Delaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam Delaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 12:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl - I don't know how well I meet either of the conditions neccesary to be one of your "behavioural friends" but this is not a policy that comes from that literature. There are a lot of things from that area that would help us overcome the massive failure of the type of economics we have been teaching up to now in Ireland. Gimmics with low-return bonds come from entirely different intellectual roots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl - I don&#8217;t know how well I meet either of the conditions neccesary to be one of your &#8220;behavioural friends&#8221; but this is not a policy that comes from that literature. There are a lot of things from that area that would help us overcome the massive failure of the type of economics we have been teaching up to now in Ireland. Gimmics with low-return bonds come from entirely different intellectual roots.</p>
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		<title>By: irishpancake</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48660</link>
		<dc:creator>irishpancake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 17:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Direct Link:

http://thestory.ie/2010/05/02/sufficient-room-to-manoeuvre-to-weather-the-present-turbulence/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Direct Link:</p>
<p><a href="http://thestory.ie/2010/05/02/sufficient-room-to-manoeuvre-to-weather-the-present-turbulence/" rel="nofollow">http://thestory.ie/2010/05/02/sufficient-room-to-manoeuvre-to-weather-the-present-turbulence/</a></p>
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		<title>By: irishpancake</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48659</link>
		<dc:creator>irishpancake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 17:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, apropos the video link above, it is available on 

www.thestory.ie

Good work from Gavin (Sheridan) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, apropos the video link above, it is available on </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thestory.ie" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestory.ie</a></p>
<p>Good work from Gavin (Sheridan) <img src='http://www.irisheconomy.ie/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: irishpancake</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishpancake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 17:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Greeks really need to get hold of this guy, he will be, I believe, available in the near future, and he sure talks a good game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc8ykHoBXmQ

Classic from 2008, enjoy if you can !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Greeks really need to get hold of this guy, he will be, I believe, available in the near future, and he sure talks a good game.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc8ykHoBXmQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc8ykHoBXmQ</a></p>
<p>Classic from 2008, enjoy if you can !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 16:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@zhou_enlai - "I would be interested to know whether people think there is any chance that this bond could raise a significant amount "

I guess any answer would be speculative. They start selling today? I wonder where we can find out about the take-up in the first few days?

My guess is that it will be slow. I'm not sure enough people have enough faith in this government to actually want to buy anything from them. The marketing of it has not exactly been 'ram it down their throats' either. 

Maybe it's just symbolic. Why would you want to put so much money into saving the banks then put up a competitor product? Seems a bit odd to me (to take deposits/savings away from them in those circumstances).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@zhou_enlai - &#8220;I would be interested to know whether people think there is any chance that this bond could raise a significant amount &#8221;</p>
<p>I guess any answer would be speculative. They start selling today? I wonder where we can find out about the take-up in the first few days?</p>
<p>My guess is that it will be slow. I&#8217;m not sure enough people have enough faith in this government to actually want to buy anything from them. The marketing of it has not exactly been &#8216;ram it down their throats&#8217; either. </p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just symbolic. Why would you want to put so much money into saving the banks then put up a competitor product? Seems a bit odd to me (to take deposits/savings away from them in those circumstances).</p>
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		<title>By: zhou_enlai</title>
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		<dc:creator>zhou_enlai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 10:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EDIT - substitute "bows" for "boughs"</description>
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		<title>By: zhou_enlai</title>
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		<dc:creator>zhou_enlai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 09:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a danger that drawing citizens into a solidarity bond will exacerbate the consequences of sovereign default if it happens?   Talking the talk but not walking the walk can be a sensible option when faced with a very large opponent.   

Does the solidarity bond lash private savers to the boughs of the international bonds?   Or is there no material difference?   Let's hope this is not another example of the gambler's mentality that "we are so kiboshed if this goes wrong that we don't need to worry about making things worse".

I would be interested to know whether people think there is any chance that this bond could raise a significant amount through this bond.     One hears flippant remarks from people that there is loads of money out there but that investors don't want to risk it.   Personally I think there is very little money left in Ireland.   I think we have seen Krugman style wealth destruction on a grand scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a danger that drawing citizens into a solidarity bond will exacerbate the consequences of sovereign default if it happens?   Talking the talk but not walking the walk can be a sensible option when faced with a very large opponent.   </p>
<p>Does the solidarity bond lash private savers to the boughs of the international bonds?   Or is there no material difference?   Let&#8217;s hope this is not another example of the gambler&#8217;s mentality that &#8220;we are so kiboshed if this goes wrong that we don&#8217;t need to worry about making things worse&#8221;.</p>
<p>I would be interested to know whether people think there is any chance that this bond could raise a significant amount through this bond.     One hears flippant remarks from people that there is loads of money out there but that investors don&#8217;t want to risk it.   Personally I think there is very little money left in Ireland.   I think we have seen Krugman style wealth destruction on a grand scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Antoin o lachtnain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antoin o lachtnain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 23:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that could be a possibility or even plan. However for that to work the bonds would really need to be tradeable. They would also probably need to be non-redeemable before a certain date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that could be a possibility or even plan. However for that to work the bonds would really need to be tradeable. They would also probably need to be non-redeemable before a certain date.</p>
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		<title>By: Furze</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48345</link>
		<dc:creator>Furze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 19:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we reach rock bottom, it could be used to hold the individual IOUs  for part of public service pay bill. Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we reach rock bottom, it could be used to hold the individual IOUs  for part of public service pay bill. Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Garo</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48314</link>
		<dc:creator>Garo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 14:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finance is a zero-sum game for a large part. So if the government is doing something clever by deferring the true cost of the bond for 10 years there are two issues here. 1) The piper will have to be paid in 10 years time and who knows what the state of the country's finances will be then. 2) They are making a fool out of the investors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finance is a zero-sum game for a large part. So if the government is doing something clever by deferring the true cost of the bond for 10 years there are two issues here. 1) The piper will have to be paid in 10 years time and who knows what the state of the country&#8217;s finances will be then. 2) They are making a fool out of the investors.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesper</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48297</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 12:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems the government can't win by doing something like this:
Either they are too nice to the investors &#38; then they get told are in effect giving away money for free 
or 
they are to harsh to the investors &#38; then they get told that nobody will invest.

So the cynic in me wonders why was this done?

After working for large organisations I am a bit cynical &#38; my initial thought is that this was done to show that something is being done. The perception of doing something grand is seen as better than just doing something basic &#38; useful. And of course someone seen as doing something grand can also justify a high salary while the peon doing the basic &#38; actually useful will struggle along on a low salary.

It is a dream grand project for a career minded person: Seemingly addressing a current concern but its success can't be measured. (is it cannibalising or is it creating something new?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the government can&#8217;t win by doing something like this:<br />
Either they are too nice to the investors &amp; then they get told are in effect giving away money for free<br />
or<br />
they are to harsh to the investors &amp; then they get told that nobody will invest.</p>
<p>So the cynic in me wonders why was this done?</p>
<p>After working for large organisations I am a bit cynical &amp; my initial thought is that this was done to show that something is being done. The perception of doing something grand is seen as better than just doing something basic &amp; useful. And of course someone seen as doing something grand can also justify a high salary while the peon doing the basic &amp; actually useful will struggle along on a low salary.</p>
<p>It is a dream grand project for a career minded person: Seemingly addressing a current concern but its success can&#8217;t be measured. (is it cannibalising or is it creating something new?)</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48287</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 10:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bond. Eoin Bond... Says. - "Whats more shocking is that this non-controversy has already garnered 24 comments…"

... and yours too ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bond. Eoin Bond&#8230; Says. - &#8220;Whats more shocking is that this non-controversy has already garnered 24 comments…&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; and yours too <img src='http://www.irisheconomy.ie/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Bond. Eoin Bond...</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48281</link>
		<dc:creator>Bond. Eoin Bond...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 10:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They're deferring the true cost of the bond for 10 years. Its actually quite clever. Whats more shocking is that this non-controversy has already garnered 24 comments...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re deferring the true cost of the bond for 10 years. Its actually quite clever. Whats more shocking is that this non-controversy has already garnered 24 comments&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sean o'</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean o'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 09:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This 'bond' is just another slush fund for central government.
Better to enact Muni bonds where regional interests can raise money to build bridges,schools etc and then to gain interest relief against national income tax.
At least at the end of ten years local communities would have something to show for the investment as well as the investors redeeming their bonds.
However that would require a devolution of powers to local government and as long as FF are in power this aint going to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8216;bond&#8217; is just another slush fund for central government.<br />
Better to enact Muni bonds where regional interests can raise money to build bridges,schools etc and then to gain interest relief against national income tax.<br />
At least at the end of ten years local communities would have something to show for the investment as well as the investors redeeming their bonds.<br />
However that would require a devolution of powers to local government and as long as FF are in power this aint going to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jagdip Singh</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48263</link>
		<dc:creator>Jagdip Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 07:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Karl,

Sorry to be off-topic but the Indie today reports "Meanwhile, the head of financial regulation, Matthew Elderfield, has demanded that banks use the initial haircuts right across their NAMA-bound portfolios, for the purposes of calculating how much capital they must raise by the end of the year to meet regulatory targets."

Doesn't this mean that Anglo's loansof €35.6bn will have a discount reported at 55% which means a loss of €19.58bn and means a further recap this year of what €8bn? And for INBS it means another €2bn.

Full story here: 

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/anglo-to-transfer-first-836410bn-of-loans-to-bad-bank-2161000.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Karl,</p>
<p>Sorry to be off-topic but the Indie today reports &#8220;Meanwhile, the head of financial regulation, Matthew Elderfield, has demanded that banks use the initial haircuts right across their NAMA-bound portfolios, for the purposes of calculating how much capital they must raise by the end of the year to meet regulatory targets.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t this mean that Anglo&#8217;s loansof €35.6bn will have a discount reported at 55% which means a loss of €19.58bn and means a further recap this year of what €8bn? And for INBS it means another €2bn.</p>
<p>Full story here: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/anglo-to-transfer-first-836410bn-of-loans-to-bad-bank-2161000.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/anglo-to-transfer-first-836410bn-of-loans-to-bad-bank-2161000.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drumroe</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48262</link>
		<dc:creator>Drumroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 06:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are not living in reality:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/treasury-redeems-gargantuan-643-billion-treasuries-april</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are not living in reality:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/article/treasury-redeems-gargantuan-643-billion-treasuries-april" rel="nofollow">http://www.zerohedge.com/article/treasury-redeems-gargantuan-643-billion-treasuries-april</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ciaran Daly</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48175</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciaran Daly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is total nonsense, as long as Irish banks can buy gov bonds and get cash from the ECB for them...

http://baselinescenario.com/2010/04/29/to-save-the-eurozone-1-trillion-european-central-bank-reform-and-a-new-head-for-the-imf/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is total nonsense, as long as Irish banks can buy gov bonds and get cash from the ECB for them&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://baselinescenario.com/2010/04/29/to-save-the-eurozone-1-trillion-european-central-bank-reform-and-a-new-head-for-the-imf/" rel="nofollow">http://baselinescenario.com/2010/04/29/to-save-the-eurozone-1-trillion-european-central-bank-reform-and-a-new-head-for-the-imf/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Is the Solidarity bond being sold properly? - Page 3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is the Solidarity bond being sold properly? - Page 3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more interested in that than feargach's blue sky thinking on how best to market the bloody thing: The Irish Economy Blog Archive Solidarnosc)   __________________ This signature has been discontinued on account of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Drumroe

Those figures for Italy look pretty frightening. I'm surprised the Italians haven't come under more scrutiny. Would you know how much the government there receives in tax take every year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Drumroe</p>
<p>Those figures for Italy look pretty frightening. I&#8217;m surprised the Italians haven&#8217;t come under more scrutiny. Would you know how much the government there receives in tax take every year?</p>
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		<title>By: Drumroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drumroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How will these bonds help when not even the IMF can help:  http://www.zerohedge.com/article/2-trillion-3-year-funding-needs-piigs-imf-helpless-do-anything-sit-back-and-watch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How will these bonds help when not even the IMF can help:  <a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/article/2-trillion-3-year-funding-needs-piigs-imf-helpless-do-anything-sit-back-and-watch" rel="nofollow">http://www.zerohedge.com/article/2-trillion-3-year-funding-needs-piigs-imf-helpless-do-anything-sit-back-and-watch</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drumroe</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48082</link>
		<dc:creator>Drumroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That link was for this:  Ireland to demolish ‘unwanted’ homes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That link was for this:  Ireland to demolish ‘unwanted’ homes</p>
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		<title>By: Drumroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drumroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8653238.stm</description>
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		<title>By: MickeyHickey</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48075</link>
		<dc:creator>MickeyHickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that twenty years of prosperity have not left us so soft in the head that we would contemplate buying Irish gov't  bonds. Particularly bonds with an end loaded balloon payment. Reminds me of the shyster leased car market in some countries where the headlines scream no down payment, low monthly payment with the balloon payment on page 7 in small print. Personally I would not touch the sovereign debt of PIIGS with a barge pole. Interest rate freezes and principal haircuts of at least 25% are just about guaranteed. FF have a two year horizon at this point in the game and ten years looks like it will never arrive and when it does FF will hopefully be a distant memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that twenty years of prosperity have not left us so soft in the head that we would contemplate buying Irish gov&#8217;t  bonds. Particularly bonds with an end loaded balloon payment. Reminds me of the shyster leased car market in some countries where the headlines scream no down payment, low monthly payment with the balloon payment on page 7 in small print. Personally I would not touch the sovereign debt of PIIGS with a barge pole. Interest rate freezes and principal haircuts of at least 25% are just about guaranteed. FF have a two year horizon at this point in the game and ten years looks like it will never arrive and when it does FF will hopefully be a distant memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Eamonn Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eamonn Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Karl
To me, the bond is interesting for two reasons.  First, it is puttable - unlike a straight bond, the investor can redeem at par (or above par after year 5). It would be interesting to value this feature.  Second, I presume that for governmental accounting purposes, the interest expense will be 1% rather than the &#62;5% payable on a 10 year bond in years 1-9.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Karl<br />
To me, the bond is interesting for two reasons.  First, it is puttable - unlike a straight bond, the investor can redeem at par (or above par after year 5). It would be interesting to value this feature.  Second, I presume that for governmental accounting purposes, the interest expense will be 1% rather than the &gt;5% payable on a 10 year bond in years 1-9.</p>
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		<title>By: simpleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>simpleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Economis website:

"As a final choice morcel of paranoia, here is a quote from Jean-Paul Fitoussi, a French economist interviewed in the left-wing paper Libération today. M. Fitoussi has some sensible things to say about how the EU's political cacophony bears a lot of the blame for Greece's current agonies. But then he asks aloud why Ireland is not suffering the same "market attacks" as Greece, when its debt and deficit numbers are actually worse. Even taking account of the fact that Greece lied about its public accounts, he says, there is another reason:

"Because [Ireland] is a tax haven for capital. Greece does not have that card to play."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Economis website:</p>
<p>&#8220;As a final choice morcel of paranoia, here is a quote from Jean-Paul Fitoussi, a French economist interviewed in the left-wing paper Libération today. M. Fitoussi has some sensible things to say about how the EU&#8217;s political cacophony bears a lot of the blame for Greece&#8217;s current agonies. But then he asks aloud why Ireland is not suffering the same &#8220;market attacks&#8221; as Greece, when its debt and deficit numbers are actually worse. Even taking account of the fact that Greece lied about its public accounts, he says, there is another reason:</p>
<p>&#8220;Because [Ireland] is a tax haven for capital. Greece does not have that card to play.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Drumroe</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/04/30/solidarnosc/#comment-48066</link>
		<dc:creator>Drumroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't like "solidarity" with thugs and crooks.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Lucey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Lucey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a sop to the PS unions as I understand. It SOUNDS good, warm and fuzzy. Mmmmmm....solidarity....who could be against that. 
The politics of meaningless optics - now with added second, third and n-th order effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a sop to the PS unions as I understand. It SOUNDS good, warm and fuzzy. Mmmmmm&#8230;.solidarity&#8230;.who could be against that.<br />
The politics of meaningless optics - now with added second, third and n-th order effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Whelan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Whelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Joseph

Hmm. Indeed

“…..shouldn’t in any way change the processes used to assess which types of public spending should be prioritised.”

was poorly worded. 

I didn't at all mean to suggest that current processes were in any way optimal!  Just that having money from something called a Solidarnosc Bond wasn't a good reason to change the composition of spending in some particular way.</description>
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<p>Hmm. Indeed</p>
<p>“…..shouldn’t in any way change the processes used to assess which types of public spending should be prioritised.”</p>
<p>was poorly worded. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t at all mean to suggest that current processes were in any way optimal!  Just that having money from something called a Solidarnosc Bond wasn&#8217;t a good reason to change the composition of spending in some particular way.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>".....shouldn’t in any way change the processes used to assess which types of public spending should be prioritised."

Would that be the process outlined by Dr. Suiter's research used on Primetime last night? i.e. priority is given to any minister's home constituency. Oh well, at least it's not a complicated process!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;..shouldn’t in any way change the processes used to assess which types of public spending should be prioritised.&#8221;</p>
<p>Would that be the process outlined by Dr. Suiter&#8217;s research used on Primetime last night? i.e. priority is given to any minister&#8217;s home constituency. Oh well, at least it&#8217;s not a complicated process!</p>
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