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		<title>By: The Irish Economy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Spigel Online Calculations of Irish Debt</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-54382</link>
		<dc:creator>The Irish Economy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Spigel Online Calculations of Irish Debt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 08:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few weeks ago I posted a link to a presentation put together by Spiegel Online showing the maturity profile of the debt of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eoin</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50656</link>
		<dc:creator>Eoin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 13:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out from the ECB, warning Eurozone countries about issuing more and more short term debt. 

They estimate that 33% of outstanding government debt matures in the next 2 yrs. Again, per this criticism, Ireland would be looked on positively, with only 20% of all of our outstanding debt maturing between now and the end of 2012 (so two and a half years).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0513/breaking44.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out from the ECB, warning Eurozone countries about issuing more and more short term debt. </p>
<p>They estimate that 33% of outstanding government debt matures in the next 2 yrs. Again, per this criticism, Ireland would be looked on positively, with only 20% of all of our outstanding debt maturing between now and the end of 2012 (so two and a half years).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0513/breaking44.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0513/breaking44.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Garo</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50360</link>
		<dc:creator>Garo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 10:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix Salmon has a rebuttal to Ronan Lyons' post.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/11/europe-its-more-than-just-government-debt/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix Salmon has a rebuttal to Ronan Lyons&#8217; post.<br />
<a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/11/europe-its-more-than-just-government-debt/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/11/europe-its-more-than-just-government-debt/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eureka</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50335</link>
		<dc:creator>Eureka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 08:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam
Is that an accurate characterization of main players in the market - hard working central Europeans?
What does Blankfein tell us about the nature of markets and those behind them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam<br />
Is that an accurate characterization of main players in the market - hard working central Europeans?<br />
What does Blankfein tell us about the nature of markets and those behind them?</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50283</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 23:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ all
I don't understand all this negative attitude towards 'the markets' and the equivalent blame given to borrowers and lenders.
Central europeans who worked hard and saved are not to blame. Sure their pension fund managers bought what turned out to be dodgy bonds but at the time government bonds would have been seen as conservative prudent long term funding.
We should be grateful to them for investing in us, particularly now when we would be have to cut spending by about 40 percent if they stopped funding us.
Sure if a entity is truely insolvent then these prudent (or so they believed) lenders must lose out. But we made a deal with them when we agreed to borrow, and i see no reason why shouldn't make every attempt to pay them back in full, until it is clear we are truly insolvent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ all<br />
I don&#8217;t understand all this negative attitude towards &#8216;the markets&#8217; and the equivalent blame given to borrowers and lenders.<br />
Central europeans who worked hard and saved are not to blame. Sure their pension fund managers bought what turned out to be dodgy bonds but at the time government bonds would have been seen as conservative prudent long term funding.<br />
We should be grateful to them for investing in us, particularly now when we would be have to cut spending by about 40 percent if they stopped funding us.<br />
Sure if a entity is truely insolvent then these prudent (or so they believed) lenders must lose out. But we made a deal with them when we agreed to borrow, and i see no reason why shouldn&#8217;t make every attempt to pay them back in full, until it is clear we are truly insolvent.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50280</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 22:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Lorcan

Fascinating link.
It seems that the OECD reportings and comparisons between member countries provoked competition to improve rankings funded through borrowing??
Can we have our mmbership fees back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lorcan</p>
<p>Fascinating link.<br />
It seems that the OECD reportings and comparisons between member countries provoked competition to improve rankings funded through borrowing??<br />
Can we have our mmbership fees back?</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50277</link>
		<dc:creator>Eureka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 22:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Joseph
Not quite.  Short selling seems to be very profitable and easy to do.  The market seems pretty easy to manipulate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Joseph<br />
Not quite.  Short selling seems to be very profitable and easy to do.  The market seems pretty easy to manipulate.</p>
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		<title>By: Aiman</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50264</link>
		<dc:creator>Aiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 20:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Oliver Zandt - afraid so. 

I'd still like to see empirical evidence of bearish speculation in the peripherals having caused recent spread-widening. Measures of the size and cost taken by the EU should be only be directed against definitely-existing targets. (Tho' I have the impression all the speculator talk is just political sugar-coating and misdirection).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Oliver Zandt - afraid so. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d still like to see empirical evidence of bearish speculation in the peripherals having caused recent spread-widening. Measures of the size and cost taken by the EU should be only be directed against definitely-existing targets. (Tho&#8217; I have the impression all the speculator talk is just political sugar-coating and misdirection).</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50255</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 19:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eureka - are you suggesting the 'wolf pack' is simply keeping us alive to play with us? Or like a vampire, keeping the prey alive to have a good old drink of blood every now and again until they die. 

I thought this was a slow train wreck we are watching, not a horror movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eureka - are you suggesting the &#8216;wolf pack&#8217; is simply keeping us alive to play with us? Or like a vampire, keeping the prey alive to have a good old drink of blood every now and again until they die. </p>
<p>I thought this was a slow train wreck we are watching, not a horror movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50251</link>
		<dc:creator>Eureka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 18:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not an economist but it seems it's in nobodys interest to force us to default just yet.  There's plenty of money to be made from us especially with the backup of the rescue package.  We are guaranteed some stability for the next 12-18 months.  Question is - is this kind of moribund stability what we really want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not an economist but it seems it&#8217;s in nobodys interest to force us to default just yet.  There&#8217;s plenty of money to be made from us especially with the backup of the rescue package.  We are guaranteed some stability for the next 12-18 months.  Question is - is this kind of moribund stability what we really want?</p>
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		<title>By: Celtic Phoneix</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50242</link>
		<dc:creator>Celtic Phoneix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 17:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those interested in the Cost of Default: 

http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/5004

By the way, anyone know where in Ireland you can open an account in Swiss Francs or Canadian dollars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested in the Cost of Default: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/5004" rel="nofollow">http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/5004</a></p>
<p>By the way, anyone know where in Ireland you can open an account in Swiss Francs or Canadian dollars?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50233</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 16:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David O'Donnell - "Where is the next shock coming from? China?"

With food inflation running away there as reported today..... Your guess is as good as mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David O&#8217;Donnell - &#8220;Where is the next shock coming from? China?&#8221;</p>
<p>With food inflation running away there as reported today&#8230;.. Your guess is as good as mine.</p>
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		<title>By: LorcanRK</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50227</link>
		<dc:creator>LorcanRK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 16:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speaking of debt profiles, here is some scary chartage from George Magnus at UBS.

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010/05/11/227461/welcome-to-the-oecd-debt-trap/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speaking of debt profiles, here is some scary chartage from George Magnus at UBS.</p>
<p><a href="http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010/05/11/227461/welcome-to-the-oecd-debt-trap/" rel="nofollow">http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010/05/11/227461/welcome-to-the-oecd-debt-trap/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paddy Orwell</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50226</link>
		<dc:creator>Paddy Orwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 16:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Edgar.
That is akin to taking the brake off the front wheel of your bike and trying to stop it with our foot instead - unnecessary and almost impossible to pull off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Edgar.<br />
That is akin to taking the brake off the front wheel of your bike and trying to stop it with our foot instead - unnecessary and almost impossible to pull off.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Vandt</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50224</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Vandt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 15:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Aiman
We'll have to agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aiman<br />
We&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Edgar Morgenroth</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50223</link>
		<dc:creator>Edgar Morgenroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 15:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paddy Orwell - there were instruments available to policy makers that would have dealt with the fact that our cycle was not in sync with the core Euro area and that is why I maintain that the Euro was not the problem. Of course that would not have been politially easy but look where we are now. If the right instrument had been applied we would be in a very good position right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paddy Orwell - there were instruments available to policy makers that would have dealt with the fact that our cycle was not in sync with the core Euro area and that is why I maintain that the Euro was not the problem. Of course that would not have been politially easy but look where we are now. If the right instrument had been applied we would be in a very good position right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Eoin</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50222</link>
		<dc:creator>Eoin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 15:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its very very difficult to "speculate", long or short, in the bond market - ie its incredibly boring going long and reasonably difficult to maintain a short. They're a buy to hold investment in most cases. The change in prices is so small, and the size of spreads so big (relatively), in 99% of situations that you'd need to be going in and out all the time to make money, its not a directional play either side of the price. Thats basically why the CDS market was created, and even on that actual notional trades are not as big as most people would believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its very very difficult to &#8220;speculate&#8221;, long or short, in the bond market - ie its incredibly boring going long and reasonably difficult to maintain a short. They&#8217;re a buy to hold investment in most cases. The change in prices is so small, and the size of spreads so big (relatively), in 99% of situations that you&#8217;d need to be going in and out all the time to make money, its not a directional play either side of the price. Thats basically why the CDS market was created, and even on that actual notional trades are not as big as most people would believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy Orwell</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50221</link>
		<dc:creator>Paddy Orwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 15:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Michael.
I don't necessarily disagree. I merely said that euro membership was 'a major reason'. there were of course others. One size fits all monetary policy for such a disparate group of States makes no economic sense regardless of the presence or othewise of other negative factors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michael.<br />
I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree. I merely said that euro membership was &#8216;a major reason&#8217;. there were of course others. One size fits all monetary policy for such a disparate group of States makes no economic sense regardless of the presence or othewise of other negative factors.</p>
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		<title>By: Aiman</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50215</link>
		<dc:creator>Aiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 14:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Oliver Zandt - from your 2nd last post - "“Smaller in size than big banks or institutional investors, thousands of hedge funds control almost $2tn (£1.27tn) in assets and they look for LIQUID markets in which to make a quick profit." (my emphasis).

Even the most fervent Hellenophile would never at the best of times have dubbed Greek bonds a liquid market. Nor Portuguese, nor Irish. I've no doubt of the existence of speculators, nor of their presence in these markets. What I do doubt is their size and significance in current events, certainly relative to the significance of fundamentals. 

Like I said, I'd love to see numerical evidence that sheer big bad meanie speculators caused the blow-out in yields in peripherals. My own opinion is it had more to do with the laws of supply and demand, with naked speculation playing a small part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Oliver Zandt - from your 2nd last post - &#8220;“Smaller in size than big banks or institutional investors, thousands of hedge funds control almost $2tn (£1.27tn) in assets and they look for LIQUID markets in which to make a quick profit.&#8221; (my emphasis).</p>
<p>Even the most fervent Hellenophile would never at the best of times have dubbed Greek bonds a liquid market. Nor Portuguese, nor Irish. I&#8217;ve no doubt of the existence of speculators, nor of their presence in these markets. What I do doubt is their size and significance in current events, certainly relative to the significance of fundamentals. </p>
<p>Like I said, I&#8217;d love to see numerical evidence that sheer big bad meanie speculators caused the blow-out in yields in peripherals. My own opinion is it had more to do with the laws of supply and demand, with naked speculation playing a small part.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hennigan - Finfacts</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50209</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hennigan - Finfacts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 14:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Paddy Orwell

&lt;i&gt;Membership of the Eurozone was a major reason for the Irish bubble (i.e. low interest rates, easy access to wholesale markets).&lt;/i&gt;

It was foolish to allow countries like Ireland and Greece with poor governance systems and corruption cultures to join the EMU.

Do you seriously believe that countries in the Eurozone which survived intact were run by clones of the Irish poltroons who ruined their economy?

The political leadership, the central bank, the regulator etc were all victims of the ECB!!   

The fact that Harney, Cowen, Martin, Dempsey etc are still in charge, speaks volumes for the failed system that is tolerated.   

The dog eat my homework Sir!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Paddy Orwell</p>
<p><i>Membership of the Eurozone was a major reason for the Irish bubble (i.e. low interest rates, easy access to wholesale markets).</i></p>
<p>It was foolish to allow countries like Ireland and Greece with poor governance systems and corruption cultures to join the EMU.</p>
<p>Do you seriously believe that countries in the Eurozone which survived intact were run by clones of the Irish poltroons who ruined their economy?</p>
<p>The political leadership, the central bank, the regulator etc were all victims of the ECB!!   </p>
<p>The fact that Harney, Cowen, Martin, Dempsey etc are still in charge, speaks volumes for the failed system that is tolerated.   </p>
<p>The dog eat my homework Sir!!</p>
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		<title>By: Edgar Morgenroth</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50203</link>
		<dc:creator>Edgar Morgenroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 14:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paddy Orwell - we should probably take this one offline as it is off topic. There was a very healthy debate among economists about this and not all agreed with joining the Euro. The ESRI analysis (done before I joined so I had no input into this) looked at pros and cons. I repeat myself - other countries have shown that it was perfectly possible to be a member of the EU and not end up in the kind of mess we are in - the Euro was not a primary cause nor will it be the primary solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paddy Orwell - we should probably take this one offline as it is off topic. There was a very healthy debate among economists about this and not all agreed with joining the Euro. The ESRI analysis (done before I joined so I had no input into this) looked at pros and cons. I repeat myself - other countries have shown that it was perfectly possible to be a member of the EU and not end up in the kind of mess we are in - the Euro was not a primary cause nor will it be the primary solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy Orwell</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50200</link>
		<dc:creator>Paddy Orwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 14:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Edgar.
No. The result was never in doubt. The ESRI said it was good for us and we naively believed them. After that it was a fait accompli. Winning the argument was essentially an academic exercise. People bought because the rent was so high. Others made mistakes. That is human and naive perhaps but forgiveable. Economists paid by the taxpayer who should know better telling us to join, is much harder to forgive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Edgar.<br />
No. The result was never in doubt. The ESRI said it was good for us and we naively believed them. After that it was a fait accompli. Winning the argument was essentially an academic exercise. People bought because the rent was so high. Others made mistakes. That is human and naive perhaps but forgiveable. Economists paid by the taxpayer who should know better telling us to join, is much harder to forgive.</p>
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		<title>By: David O'Donnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>David O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 14:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eoin

"By the way, as an fyi on the ECB buying bonds, the focus seem to be on shorter end Greece, Portugal and Ireland (in that order), and yields are getting squeezed in massively. Ireland is actually lower than Spain right now."

So we have survived last Friday!  

Where is the next shock coming from? China?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eoin</p>
<p>&#8220;By the way, as an fyi on the ECB buying bonds, the focus seem to be on shorter end Greece, Portugal and Ireland (in that order), and yields are getting squeezed in massively. Ireland is actually lower than Spain right now.&#8221;</p>
<p>So we have survived last Friday!  </p>
<p>Where is the next shock coming from? China?</p>
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		<title>By: Edgar Morgenroth</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50197</link>
		<dc:creator>Edgar Morgenroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paddy Orwell - they lost the argument when it mattered - spilled milk! PIIGS - 5 out of 15 (not 10 out of 15) and at the very least Greece should not have been let join, also spilled milk. I can't recall anyone being forced to buy a house, and indeed know some who rented as they thought that the bubble would burst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paddy Orwell - they lost the argument when it mattered - spilled milk! PIIGS - 5 out of 15 (not 10 out of 15) and at the very least Greece should not have been let join, also spilled milk. I can&#8217;t recall anyone being forced to buy a house, and indeed know some who rented as they thought that the bubble would burst.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy Orwell</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50196</link>
		<dc:creator>Paddy Orwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Garo.
lower interest rates = higher house prices. Independent CBs set the interest rate according to the needs of the economy. Ours was way below the optimum. As a result it skewed investment decisions away from more productive sectors. Add in population structure and immigration and hey presto there is your bubble. Of course there were other policies decisions as well aside from euro membership that caused the boom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Garo.<br />
lower interest rates = higher house prices. Independent CBs set the interest rate according to the needs of the economy. Ours was way below the optimum. As a result it skewed investment decisions away from more productive sectors. Add in population structure and immigration and hey presto there is your bubble. Of course there were other policies decisions as well aside from euro membership that caused the boom.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy Orwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy Orwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Edgar.
"Other countries within the Euro managed OK".
Except of course the original PIGS. 10 out of 15? An overwhelming success no? Different strokes for different folks was what was needed.  The anti-euro brigade may have been unable to beat the might of the establishment back in the 1990s but you can hardly say they have lost the argument given recent events. Alot of people on 30yr+ mortgages will be taking along time to 'get over it' . But hey, as long as the EU commission keep funding the establishment let them eat cake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Edgar.<br />
&#8220;Other countries within the Euro managed OK&#8221;.<br />
Except of course the original PIGS. 10 out of 15? An overwhelming success no? Different strokes for different folks was what was needed.  The anti-euro brigade may have been unable to beat the might of the establishment back in the 1990s but you can hardly say they have lost the argument given recent events. Alot of people on 30yr+ mortgages will be taking along time to &#8216;get over it&#8217; . But hey, as long as the EU commission keep funding the establishment let them eat cake!</p>
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		<title>By: Edgar Morgenroth</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50194</link>
		<dc:creator>Edgar Morgenroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rory O'Farrell - somewhere I came across a paper that used high frequency data (not Ireland), and they found that new infomration such as new forecasts took just 5 minutes to impact!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rory O&#8217;Farrell - somewhere I came across a paper that used high frequency data (not Ireland), and they found that new infomration such as new forecasts took just 5 minutes to impact!</p>
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		<title>By: Rory O'Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory O'Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the graph of interest rates particularly interesting. It is completely obvious that they are cointegrated.

Does any know where you can get daily data? I'm interested in removing the cointegrating relations to get a 'pure' Irish bond price movement, and then see if movements coincide with particular events (such as publication of the McCarthy report, the budget, or imposition of pension levy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the graph of interest rates particularly interesting. It is completely obvious that they are cointegrated.</p>
<p>Does any know where you can get daily data? I&#8217;m interested in removing the cointegrating relations to get a &#8216;pure&#8217; Irish bond price movement, and then see if movements coincide with particular events (such as publication of the McCarthy report, the budget, or imposition of pension levy).</p>
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		<title>By: Garo</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50191</link>
		<dc:creator>Garo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Edgar that blaming the Euro is silly. The Euro brought with it an elimination of currency risk premium and much lower interest rates. Lower interest rates are generally seen as a good thing by borrowers. Now if the borrowers act irresponsibly and borrow much more than they can replay, they can't blame low rates fot that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Edgar that blaming the Euro is silly. The Euro brought with it an elimination of currency risk premium and much lower interest rates. Lower interest rates are generally seen as a good thing by borrowers. Now if the borrowers act irresponsibly and borrow much more than they can replay, they can&#8217;t blame low rates fot that.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Donnelly</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/05/10/debt-profiles-of-at-risk-eurozone-countries/#comment-50190</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Donnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting NAMA to conduct its business quickly woyld mean that debt would be reducing.

B Peter Woods is as usual, correct. There will be no growth for a long time and capital will be scarce indeed. Expect house lending to dry up even more? Radical, more radical than to date, measures will be needed. The sooner the better. 

Australia uses a productivity commission, replete with economists and analysts, to examine aspects of the economy. McCuts and a razor gang. Certain luxuries are no longer affordable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting NAMA to conduct its business quickly woyld mean that debt would be reducing.</p>
<p>B Peter Woods is as usual, correct. There will be no growth for a long time and capital will be scarce indeed. Expect house lending to dry up even more? Radical, more radical than to date, measures will be needed. The sooner the better. </p>
<p>Australia uses a productivity commission, replete with economists and analysts, to examine aspects of the economy. McCuts and a razor gang. Certain luxuries are no longer affordable!</p>
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