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	<title>Comments on: March 31 Commission Letter on Anglo</title>
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		<title>By: paul quigley</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/07/06/march-31-commission-letter-on-anglo/#comment-59045</link>
		<dc:creator>paul quigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ alchemist

What exactly are the responsibilities of ‘public interest’ appointees?

a) to represent the interests of the public
That's what we learn in second level 'civics' class


b) to articulate the interests of that part of the political/social system in which they have direct or indirect stake
That's what we learn from the science of political economy 

How long did it take for it to be accepted that the earth goes around the sun ?
The scientific conclusion (b) is liable to make the citizens more ornery. Tough. They'll get used to it.</description>
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<p>What exactly are the responsibilities of ‘public interest’ appointees?</p>
<p>a) to represent the interests of the public<br />
That&#8217;s what we learn in second level &#8216;civics&#8217; class</p>
<p>b) to articulate the interests of that part of the political/social system in which they have direct or indirect stake<br />
That&#8217;s what we learn from the science of political economy </p>
<p>How long did it take for it to be accepted that the earth goes around the sun ?<br />
The scientific conclusion (b) is liable to make the citizens more ornery. Tough. They&#8217;ll get used to it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Alchemist</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/07/06/march-31-commission-letter-on-anglo/#comment-59013</link>
		<dc:creator>The Alchemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maurice O'Leary

I agree entirely with your last comment. It seems at times that theme park banking has taken over wherein people act out roles in a make-believe bank that has no obligation reality. Perhaps the people at Family Guy might take a look if they run short of script material.

Mary Wilson questioned Dukes a few days ago about the likely shape of the next tranche of loans passing from Anglo into NAMA. He apologized for not answering her questions as he didn't have the spreadsheet in front of him.

What exactly are the responsibilities of 'public interest' appointees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maurice O&#8217;Leary</p>
<p>I agree entirely with your last comment. It seems at times that theme park banking has taken over wherein people act out roles in a make-believe bank that has no obligation reality. Perhaps the people at Family Guy might take a look if they run short of script material.</p>
<p>Mary Wilson questioned Dukes a few days ago about the likely shape of the next tranche of loans passing from Anglo into NAMA. He apologized for not answering her questions as he didn&#8217;t have the spreadsheet in front of him.</p>
<p>What exactly are the responsibilities of &#8216;public interest&#8217; appointees?</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice O'Leary</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/07/06/march-31-commission-letter-on-anglo/#comment-58943</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we airily told to disregard the old Anglo business plan as history.

Reminds me of Nixon's press secretary telling us that all previous statements were inoperative.

Dukes and Anysley believed until the day before Terrible Tuesday (last March) that the writedown for Anglo transfers to NAMA would be 28% rather than the 50%+.

A mere 10,000,000,000.00 mistake.

And we expect these people to come up with a new credible business plan.

I think they better tell the EU that the dog ate the latest one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we airily told to disregard the old Anglo business plan as history.</p>
<p>Reminds me of Nixon&#8217;s press secretary telling us that all previous statements were inoperative.</p>
<p>Dukes and Anysley believed until the day before Terrible Tuesday (last March) that the writedown for Anglo transfers to NAMA would be 28% rather than the 50%+.</p>
<p>A mere 10,000,000,000.00 mistake.</p>
<p>And we expect these people to come up with a new credible business plan.</p>
<p>I think they better tell the EU that the dog ate the latest one.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice O'Leary</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/07/06/march-31-commission-letter-on-anglo/#comment-58942</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I despair of even bringing in outsiders.

Mike Aynsley at Anglo seems to think that it is part of his job to defend the repuation of its former chairman and other directors in order to minimise repuational damage to Anglo.

Probably the best reason to close Anglo is that it has no reputation to defend so notwithstanding any numbers that are dressed up as a business plan, common sense says that this bank has no future. 

The sooner we recognise that fact, the sooner we stop paying money to people to bring in new business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I despair of even bringing in outsiders.</p>
<p>Mike Aynsley at Anglo seems to think that it is part of his job to defend the repuation of its former chairman and other directors in order to minimise repuational damage to Anglo.</p>
<p>Probably the best reason to close Anglo is that it has no reputation to defend so notwithstanding any numbers that are dressed up as a business plan, common sense says that this bank has no future. </p>
<p>The sooner we recognise that fact, the sooner we stop paying money to people to bring in new business.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahura Mazda</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/07/06/march-31-commission-letter-on-anglo/#comment-58920</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahura Mazda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From bullet point 105 (page 20) to 123 (page 23) makes you wonder what sort of childish submission was sent regarding New Bank/Auld Anglo.

No short - no projected P&#38;L statements and stresses, daft profit projects, funding dependent on on-going gov support and maintaining current sov rating, on-going exposure to areas Anglo haven't been good at lending to and a general sense of panic over the vague plans to enter a new lending area.

I think it's time to ringfence my savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From bullet point 105 (page 20) to 123 (page 23) makes you wonder what sort of childish submission was sent regarding New Bank/Auld Anglo.</p>
<p>No short - no projected P&amp;L statements and stresses, daft profit projects, funding dependent on on-going gov support and maintaining current sov rating, on-going exposure to areas Anglo haven&#8217;t been good at lending to and a general sense of panic over the vague plans to enter a new lending area.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s time to ringfence my savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice O'Leary</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/07/06/march-31-commission-letter-on-anglo/#comment-58907</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This document should be used as reference material in the promised review of the DoF.

Mandarins or munchkins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This document should be used as reference material in the promised review of the DoF.</p>
<p>Mandarins or munchkins?</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice O'Leary</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/07/06/march-31-commission-letter-on-anglo/#comment-58866</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 10:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The alchemist

I have about 95,000 reasons to agree with you about Anglo shareholders being deceived for 8 years with the connivance of the authorities, but the news yesterday that Bradford and Bingley shareholders are getting nothing should be the final nail in the coffin of hope that we would at least get the closing shareprice on the day prior to nationalisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The alchemist</p>
<p>I have about 95,000 reasons to agree with you about Anglo shareholders being deceived for 8 years with the connivance of the authorities, but the news yesterday that Bradford and Bingley shareholders are getting nothing should be the final nail in the coffin of hope that we would at least get the closing shareprice on the day prior to nationalisation.</p>
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		<title>By: The Alchemist</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/07/06/march-31-commission-letter-on-anglo/#comment-58857</link>
		<dc:creator>The Alchemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Ordinary' shareholders in Anglo are still waiting for the appointment of an Assessor. On the one hand, everyone supporting  NAMA from the Minister downwards, claim that Anglo will be made into a success story - after €22.5 billion is injected - subordinated bond holders (many connected with pension funds) are told they'll looked after - even those who sold at a 40% discount are getting something back - while on the other hand, the same worthies completely ignore the impact of Anglo's nationalization on the citizen shareholder.  There is complete official unwillingness to accept the implications of misleading Anglo accounting information for small investors. Most small investors use the information in the public domain to frame their decisions. I have never once heard Dukes admit that something must be done on this front.

Only in a tribal plutocracy (do I mean kleptocracy?) could such a immoral position rest easy with those in power. Compensate all the big power players and wielders of influence but as for redressing wrongs inflicted on small investors, that's childish innocence at play. I have complained about this to Almunia's cabinet and I am raising the issue again at present now that the 'new' Anglo plan is one the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Ordinary&#8217; shareholders in Anglo are still waiting for the appointment of an Assessor. On the one hand, everyone supporting  NAMA from the Minister downwards, claim that Anglo will be made into a success story - after €22.5 billion is injected - subordinated bond holders (many connected with pension funds) are told they&#8217;ll looked after - even those who sold at a 40% discount are getting something back - while on the other hand, the same worthies completely ignore the impact of Anglo&#8217;s nationalization on the citizen shareholder.  There is complete official unwillingness to accept the implications of misleading Anglo accounting information for small investors. Most small investors use the information in the public domain to frame their decisions. I have never once heard Dukes admit that something must be done on this front.</p>
<p>Only in a tribal plutocracy (do I mean kleptocracy?) could such a immoral position rest easy with those in power. Compensate all the big power players and wielders of influence but as for redressing wrongs inflicted on small investors, that&#8217;s childish innocence at play. I have complained about this to Almunia&#8217;s cabinet and I am raising the issue again at present now that the &#8216;new&#8217; Anglo plan is one the table.</p>
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		<title>By: tull mcadoo</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/07/06/march-31-commission-letter-on-anglo/#comment-58775</link>
		<dc:creator>tull mcadoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 22:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Anglo has no future as a going concern, what is the next step. Presumably it will be put into an orderly run off and losses bourn by the owner of the equity (us) and the subordinated debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Anglo has no future as a going concern, what is the next step. Presumably it will be put into an orderly run off and losses bourn by the owner of the equity (us) and the subordinated debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Flanagan</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2010/07/06/march-31-commission-letter-on-anglo/#comment-58767</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Flanagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 21:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work done by both Jagdip and the Commission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work done by both Jagdip and the Commission.</p>
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