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		<title>By: sf ca writer</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf ca writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its metaphor ye want is it?
http://wp.me/28tG9</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its metaphor ye want is it?<br />
<a href="http://wp.me/28tG9" rel="nofollow">http://wp.me/28tG9</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Kostick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Kostick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 21:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ paul quigley

"There is no economy without society, and social construction is everywhere. I part company with the post-modernists though, because life cannot be reduced to a text." - 'but all this [waves vaguely] is text paul, didn't you know'?

Just kidding.

I have been thinking further about your initial post, and will pick you up on Mauss, but will save further posts for approriate threads.

To finish off in style, with Keynes for now:

"The day is not far off when the economic problem will take the back seat where it belongs, and the arena of the heart and the head will be occupied or reoccupied, by our real problems - the problems of life and of human relations, of creation and behavior and religion."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ paul quigley</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no economy without society, and social construction is everywhere. I part company with the post-modernists though, because life cannot be reduced to a text.&#8221; - &#8216;but all this [waves vaguely] is text paul, didn&#8217;t you know&#8217;?</p>
<p>Just kidding.</p>
<p>I have been thinking further about your initial post, and will pick you up on Mauss, but will save further posts for approriate threads.</p>
<p>To finish off in style, with Keynes for now:</p>
<p>&#8220;The day is not far off when the economic problem will take the back seat where it belongs, and the arena of the heart and the head will be occupied or reoccupied, by our real problems - the problems of life and of human relations, of creation and behavior and religion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: paul quigley</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul quigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ DoC

It's not that long since people in Ireland knew cold and hunger. Lots of the old stock knew what it was like not to have a bob. Many of our great musicians came up to Dublin to broadcast on 2RN. If they got the trainfare they considered themselves lucky. 
Fann tamaill agus feicimid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ DoC</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that long since people in Ireland knew cold and hunger. Lots of the old stock knew what it was like not to have a bob. Many of our great musicians came up to Dublin to broadcast on 2RN. If they got the trainfare they considered themselves lucky.<br />
Fann tamaill agus feicimid.</p>
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		<title>By: paul quigley</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul quigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gavin 

Thanks for the 14th c reference. You have some unusual products on your economist shelf. Now if you want to think about how 'rationally calculating man' emerged, you could try The Gift, by Marcel Mauss. There are all sorts of reasons to give and to receive, and as the entertainment industry shows, the creation of the value of an object is as important as the creation of the object itself.
There is no economy without society, and social construction is everywhere. I part company with the post-modernists though, because life cannot be reduced to a text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gavin </p>
<p>Thanks for the 14th c reference. You have some unusual products on your economist shelf. Now if you want to think about how &#8216;rationally calculating man&#8217; emerged, you could try The Gift, by Marcel Mauss. There are all sorts of reasons to give and to receive, and as the entertainment industry shows, the creation of the value of an object is as important as the creation of the object itself.<br />
There is no economy without society, and social construction is everywhere. I part company with the post-modernists though, because life cannot be reduced to a text.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dork of Cork</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dork of Cork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 15:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post Gavin
I forgot about that Irish Eunuch remark.....
I notice the Keiser is reporting a Business Insider article about the loss of the Irish Libido.
Maybe we have just lost our self respect.
Maybe the Pepsi Max generation did not have a coming of age trial that is common to more primative societies.
Yes well I have had the view for some time that western culture has been feminised to point of absurdity.
And no I am not talking about starting a few wars.
But the notion of physical risk has been  surgically removed from the western male psyche and now the poor fellow is psychologically compromised into a little box of his own making.
Although not strictly Irish in the conventional sense, that Tim Severin quality has been lost withen the western ether somewhere in the past.
The absurdity of present financial traders risks would become more apperent if these bozos found themselves on the real ragged edge a few times in their life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post Gavin<br />
I forgot about that Irish Eunuch remark&#8230;..<br />
I notice the Keiser is reporting a Business Insider article about the loss of the Irish Libido.<br />
Maybe we have just lost our self respect.<br />
Maybe the Pepsi Max generation did not have a coming of age trial that is common to more primative societies.<br />
Yes well I have had the view for some time that western culture has been feminised to point of absurdity.<br />
And no I am not talking about starting a few wars.<br />
But the notion of physical risk has been  surgically removed from the western male psyche and now the poor fellow is psychologically compromised into a little box of his own making.<br />
Although not strictly Irish in the conventional sense, that Tim Severin quality has been lost withen the western ether somewhere in the past.<br />
The absurdity of present financial traders risks would become more apperent if these bozos found themselves on the real ragged edge a few times in their life.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ireland is not like the helpless infant in the following lines by Tennyson in no insignificant part because of the seriousness of the discourse over its plight as illustrated in this blog generally. The discussion is much enlivened when it becomes self reflexive as in Gavin’s post.
	But what am I?
	An infant crying in the night:
	An infant crying for the light,
	And with no language but a cry.

An American Friend</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ireland is not like the helpless infant in the following lines by Tennyson in no insignificant part because of the seriousness of the discourse over its plight as illustrated in this blog generally. The discussion is much enlivened when it becomes self reflexive as in Gavin’s post.<br />
	But what am I?<br />
	An infant crying in the night:<br />
	An infant crying for the light,<br />
	And with no language but a cry.</p>
<p>An American Friend</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gavin,

Excellent post.  Lord Reith would be proud.  You have succeeded in educating, enlightening and entertaining us all at the same time.

Your survey indicates that this blog presents more literary effusions than eruptions of economics.  Even the rants have a literary quality that leaves their targets unscathed.  And much of the economics is focused on matters that are beyond our ability to influence.

Mostly displacement activity to avoid confronting the issues that are within our power to address.

It was ever thus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gavin,</p>
<p>Excellent post.  Lord Reith would be proud.  You have succeeded in educating, enlightening and entertaining us all at the same time.</p>
<p>Your survey indicates that this blog presents more literary effusions than eruptions of economics.  Even the rants have a literary quality that leaves their targets unscathed.  And much of the economics is focused on matters that are beyond our ability to influence.</p>
<p>Mostly displacement activity to avoid confronting the issues that are within our power to address.</p>
<p>It was ever thus.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.

Ultimately metaphor and analogy are tools that can be used for different purposes e.g. to explain, persuade, mislead etc. Understanding how and why the toolbox is being used is very valuable.

(Hmm... now what's my ulterior motive for using tool as a metaphor for a metaphor..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.</p>
<p>Ultimately metaphor and analogy are tools that can be used for different purposes e.g. to explain, persuade, mislead etc. Understanding how and why the toolbox is being used is very valuable.</p>
<p>(Hmm&#8230; now what&#8217;s my ulterior motive for using tool as a metaphor for a metaphor..)</p>
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		<title>By: Livonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Livonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gavin

 Very well done!

 I also suspect you enjoyed writing the post  as much  as I enjoyed reading it.

Best...L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gavin</p>
<p> Very well done!</p>
<p> I also suspect you enjoyed writing the post  as much  as I enjoyed reading it.</p>
<p>Best&#8230;L</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent post Gavin.

I like the idea of changing our metaphors in order to change our understanding of what is to be done.

One suggestion: if any politician wants to use metaphors that will connect with the Irish people and inspire us about the future then I would recommend farming metaphors. We're all mostly just 2-3 generations removed from the land after all. 

Sowing the seeds of recovery and growth and all that. The (emotional) message: we have control over our destiny, there will be rewards for our hard work etc.

Though obviously avoiding any metaphors referring to Animal Farm (or the CAP)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent post Gavin.</p>
<p>I like the idea of changing our metaphors in order to change our understanding of what is to be done.</p>
<p>One suggestion: if any politician wants to use metaphors that will connect with the Irish people and inspire us about the future then I would recommend farming metaphors. We&#8217;re all mostly just 2-3 generations removed from the land after all. </p>
<p>Sowing the seeds of recovery and growth and all that. The (emotional) message: we have control over our destiny, there will be rewards for our hard work etc.</p>
<p>Though obviously avoiding any metaphors referring to Animal Farm (or the CAP)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Alchemist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Alchemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gavin K

Hand of Susan Sontag on your shoulder, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gavin K</p>
<p>Hand of Susan Sontag on your shoulder, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Kostick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Kostick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for the replies.

I tried to keep it short, but I missed a lot.

"haircut", "burning bondholders", "magic beans", various games, including a lot of poker.

@ paul quigley

Have you (or the Dork if he's reading), come across "Wynnere and Wastoure" (Winner and Waster), a 14th century alliterative poem discussing the vexed issue of who are the wealth creators and who the wealth destroyers? First economic poem I know.

http://www.soton.ac.uk/~wpwt/trans/winner/wintrans.htm (modern translation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wynnere_and_Wastoure

@ Jill

Thanks very much! I'm just a bloke who makes posts though. If I get too carried away I'll just mess up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for the replies.</p>
<p>I tried to keep it short, but I missed a lot.</p>
<p>&#8220;haircut&#8221;, &#8220;burning bondholders&#8221;, &#8220;magic beans&#8221;, various games, including a lot of poker.</p>
<p>@ paul quigley</p>
<p>Have you (or the Dork if he&#8217;s reading), come across &#8220;Wynnere and Wastoure&#8221; (Winner and Waster), a 14th century alliterative poem discussing the vexed issue of who are the wealth creators and who the wealth destroyers? First economic poem I know.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.soton.ac.uk/~wpwt/trans/winner/wintrans.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.soton.ac.uk/~wpwt/trans/winner/wintrans.htm</a> (modern translation)</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wynnere_and_Wastoure" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wynnere_and_Wastoure</a></p>
<p>@ Jill</p>
<p>Thanks very much! I&#8217;m just a bloke who makes posts though. If I get too carried away I&#8217;ll just mess up.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gavin

I read it all the way through to the end hoping for a sign of entering calmer waters. 

PS. To my horror you omitted the "haircut". Maybe you are saving that one for your next post. The big boys make profits all right but they don't do losses, just haircuts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gavin</p>
<p>I read it all the way through to the end hoping for a sign of entering calmer waters. </p>
<p>PS. To my horror you omitted the &#8220;haircut&#8221;. Maybe you are saving that one for your next post. The big boys make profits all right but they don&#8217;t do losses, just haircuts!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“It may well be that posters here do actually see the situation as a kind of warfare, but again the underlying testosterone-fuelled anxieties may not be the most fruitful source for an imagery which resolves, rather than inflames, a crisis.”

Like Barry Eichengreen, I think the situation is more like the imposition of reparations on a defeated state. So Keynes’s denunciation of the Versailles Treaty naturally comes to mind. The question is how to respond? As Keynes’s critics pointed out, Germany imposed a heavy reparations burden on France after the 1870 war. The French simply knuckled down and paid it off showing that, even under the gold standard, it could be done. Arguably that’s Ireland’s best course. If we want our sovereignty back from the pawnshop (another useful metaphor) then we must scrimp and save until we can redeem it. The alternative is to smash the pawnshop window and take it back. Aside from any moral scruples we may have, that’s a risky course.

I don’t think the imagery of conflict is inappropriate. But the metaphor that comes to mind most frequently is that of a chess game and one adage in particular: in a bad position all the moves look bad, even the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“It may well be that posters here do actually see the situation as a kind of warfare, but again the underlying testosterone-fuelled anxieties may not be the most fruitful source for an imagery which resolves, rather than inflames, a crisis.”</p>
<p>Like Barry Eichengreen, I think the situation is more like the imposition of reparations on a defeated state. So Keynes’s denunciation of the Versailles Treaty naturally comes to mind. The question is how to respond? As Keynes’s critics pointed out, Germany imposed a heavy reparations burden on France after the 1870 war. The French simply knuckled down and paid it off showing that, even under the gold standard, it could be done. Arguably that’s Ireland’s best course. If we want our sovereignty back from the pawnshop (another useful metaphor) then we must scrimp and save until we can redeem it. The alternative is to smash the pawnshop window and take it back. Aside from any moral scruples we may have, that’s a risky course.</p>
<p>I don’t think the imagery of conflict is inappropriate. But the metaphor that comes to mind most frequently is that of a chess game and one adage in particular: in a bad position all the moves look bad, even the best.</p>
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		<title>By: PR Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>PR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Football phrases also seem to be very popular... 'level playing field' and all that... unlike the other scandal in Greece at the moment:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13914118

I suppose when austerity bites, one has to look at every opportunity to look after number one. 

On me 'ead son but don't move those goalposts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Football phrases also seem to be very popular&#8230; &#8216;level playing field&#8217; and all that&#8230; unlike the other scandal in Greece at the moment:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13914118" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13914118</a></p>
<p>I suppose when austerity bites, one has to look at every opportunity to look after number one. </p>
<p>On me &#8216;ead son but don&#8217;t move those goalposts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin, a powerfully written post. 
Although I am a mere blog frequenter, let me say that you may be turning into the blog’s Curator.

Indeed, ‘all the world’s a stage’ and, as you have just evoked, so too is the Irish Economy, and a virtual one at that.  

You have the rotating Director’s chair with selected script: each edition hopefully taking shape through the learned improvisation of the regular cast - ‘scholar, student, polemicist, pragmatist, pessimist, comic libertine, and of course, the curious. Frequented by some Cameo performance, with the running Extras, toying with their own take and sometimes requiring redirection. 

In the audience are bureaucrats, reporters… and the rest, I imagine, attentive, pensive, hopeful, and entertained at times by the black humour ie. “Venus flytrap eating a spider video” brilliant!

 So a metaphor for the blog itself? 
‘Waiting for Godot…and the Irish Economy’. 

Exit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin, a powerfully written post.<br />
Although I am a mere blog frequenter, let me say that you may be turning into the blog’s Curator.</p>
<p>Indeed, ‘all the world’s a stage’ and, as you have just evoked, so too is the Irish Economy, and a virtual one at that.  </p>
<p>You have the rotating Director’s chair with selected script: each edition hopefully taking shape through the learned improvisation of the regular cast - ‘scholar, student, polemicist, pragmatist, pessimist, comic libertine, and of course, the curious. Frequented by some Cameo performance, with the running Extras, toying with their own take and sometimes requiring redirection. </p>
<p>In the audience are bureaucrats, reporters… and the rest, I imagine, attentive, pensive, hopeful, and entertained at times by the black humour ie. “Venus flytrap eating a spider video” brilliant!</p>
<p> So a metaphor for the blog itself?<br />
‘Waiting for Godot…and the Irish Economy’. </p>
<p>Exit.</p>
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		<dc:creator>PR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@seafoid

May you live in interesting times.</description>
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<p>May you live in interesting times.</p>
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		<title>By: seafoid</title>
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		<dc:creator>seafoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confession is another image I like. This is about China but it really reminded me of the continued insistence of the eurowallas on austerity and that everything is fine. 
 

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/jun/23/my-confession/

"Anyone who has lived through political campaigns in recent Chinese history knows this much about the confession culture: solving a “problem” has little if anything to do with actual repentance or admission of guilt. So long as the underlying problem remains, no number of “confessions” changes anything. And once the underlying problem is solved, the lack of a confession never stands in the way. During the high tide of the Cultural Revolution, many Chinese scientists, including me, had to hand in confessions every day, and each confession was supposed to show “new” and “deeper” introspection on what we had found wrong in ourselves. One method we used in handling this demand was to spend a half-hour copying what we had written the day before (or maybe the day before that) while simply jumbling the order of the paragraphs. We would copy paragraphs A, B, C, and D but put them in the order C, B, D, A. This was enough to serve as our “new” introspection. We later learned that even the reordering had been unnecessary because the authorities, who were living in their own ruts, were not reading what we wrote anyway.

In short, “confessions” in this culture are formalities. They have more to do with face than with actual negotiations. The confession that Deng Xiaoping presented to Mao Zedong is a famous example. In early 1970, when Deng learned that Mao was considering whether to exonerate him, allowing him to return to power, Deng quickly wrote a “guarantee to Chairman Mao” in which he vowed “never to reverse course.” This letter gave Mao face to do what in any case he was inclined to do."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confession is another image I like. This is about China but it really reminded me of the continued insistence of the eurowallas on austerity and that everything is fine. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/jun/23/my-confession/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/jun/23/my-confession/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Anyone who has lived through political campaigns in recent Chinese history knows this much about the confession culture: solving a “problem” has little if anything to do with actual repentance or admission of guilt. So long as the underlying problem remains, no number of “confessions” changes anything. And once the underlying problem is solved, the lack of a confession never stands in the way. During the high tide of the Cultural Revolution, many Chinese scientists, including me, had to hand in confessions every day, and each confession was supposed to show “new” and “deeper” introspection on what we had found wrong in ourselves. One method we used in handling this demand was to spend a half-hour copying what we had written the day before (or maybe the day before that) while simply jumbling the order of the paragraphs. We would copy paragraphs A, B, C, and D but put them in the order C, B, D, A. This was enough to serve as our “new” introspection. We later learned that even the reordering had been unnecessary because the authorities, who were living in their own ruts, were not reading what we wrote anyway.</p>
<p>In short, “confessions” in this culture are formalities. They have more to do with face than with actual negotiations. The confession that Deng Xiaoping presented to Mao Zedong is a famous example. In early 1970, when Deng learned that Mao was considering whether to exonerate him, allowing him to return to power, Deng quickly wrote a “guarantee to Chairman Mao” in which he vowed “never to reverse course.” This letter gave Mao face to do what in any case he was inclined to do.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: paul quigley</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 07:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gavin

That's quite a discourse. I like the one about going round to hit the iceberg twice too.

'If the economy really is like the weather, subject to chaos theory, then all the computing power in the world won’t be enough to make absolutely beneficial decisions, even within a clear framework such as social democracy'

Yes, there are inherent systemic complexities and linkages which defy rational planning, but most of the decisional 'errors' are driven by much more mundane matters like conflicts of interest. The economy is a Darwinian process in many respects. 

Orthodox economics enjoys the status, and the income, which it does, because it has colluded with private wealth and state power in concealing nasty poltical and institutional realities. That is to say, it has allowed itself to be used as a tool for presenting transfers of wealth from one group to another, as 'natural', inevitable processes.  

Given the messy outcomes which ensue, a lot of the technical literature has little application, other than to demonstrate mathematical and analytical gymnastics. Meanwhile lobbying and insider activity remain respected and respectable activities, even when breaches of law are involved. While there are many fine 'independent' operators, such as Ynes Smith (NY), or Bill Mitchell (Australia), economic institutions are so dependent on corporate support that critiical, ethical voices are muted. 

The DoC's analogy about Ireland serving the predatory appetites of the MNCs is a powerful one. The crisis in property, the banks, the trade unions and the public sector is at least acknowledged as 'our problem', but the financial transactions in the 'furren' sector are out of bounds to natives. Our elecetd leaders seem to take the beningn view that such matters are best left to those who know these things. That's touching. 

Many Irish professionals have a deep private involvement, of course, but their discourse seems not to extend beyond the walls of the (globally mobile) firm or the local service provider. Academics are not encouraged to look too closely at these arrangements. Money talks, but not in the way everyone else does.  

I do recognise that there are over 100k jobs, which are gold dust in these times, plus a good deal of corpo tax. Given our experiences in the other sectors, What worries me is that we will start hearing the facts about transfer pricing just as the MNC investment wave is moving on elsewhere. When it is too late to make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gavin</p>
<p>That&#8217;s quite a discourse. I like the one about going round to hit the iceberg twice too.</p>
<p>&#8216;If the economy really is like the weather, subject to chaos theory, then all the computing power in the world won’t be enough to make absolutely beneficial decisions, even within a clear framework such as social democracy&#8217;</p>
<p>Yes, there are inherent systemic complexities and linkages which defy rational planning, but most of the decisional &#8216;errors&#8217; are driven by much more mundane matters like conflicts of interest. The economy is a Darwinian process in many respects. </p>
<p>Orthodox economics enjoys the status, and the income, which it does, because it has colluded with private wealth and state power in concealing nasty poltical and institutional realities. That is to say, it has allowed itself to be used as a tool for presenting transfers of wealth from one group to another, as &#8216;natural&#8217;, inevitable processes.  </p>
<p>Given the messy outcomes which ensue, a lot of the technical literature has little application, other than to demonstrate mathematical and analytical gymnastics. Meanwhile lobbying and insider activity remain respected and respectable activities, even when breaches of law are involved. While there are many fine &#8216;independent&#8217; operators, such as Ynes Smith (NY), or Bill Mitchell (Australia), economic institutions are so dependent on corporate support that critiical, ethical voices are muted. </p>
<p>The DoC&#8217;s analogy about Ireland serving the predatory appetites of the MNCs is a powerful one. The crisis in property, the banks, the trade unions and the public sector is at least acknowledged as &#8216;our problem&#8217;, but the financial transactions in the &#8216;furren&#8217; sector are out of bounds to natives. Our elecetd leaders seem to take the beningn view that such matters are best left to those who know these things. That&#8217;s touching. </p>
<p>Many Irish professionals have a deep private involvement, of course, but their discourse seems not to extend beyond the walls of the (globally mobile) firm or the local service provider. Academics are not encouraged to look too closely at these arrangements. Money talks, but not in the way everyone else does.  </p>
<p>I do recognise that there are over 100k jobs, which are gold dust in these times, plus a good deal of corpo tax. Given our experiences in the other sectors, What worries me is that we will start hearing the facts about transfer pricing just as the MNC investment wave is moving on elsewhere. When it is too late to make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: PR Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>PR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 05:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post... 

or should it be 'pillar'?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post&#8230; </p>
<p>or should it be &#8216;pillar&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Kostick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Kostick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 05:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ hoganmahew

Come on the Irish Honey Bee!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0512/1224296752943.html

As well as believing everything I read in the papers, I talk to my local butcher who is a bee keeper, and his latest hives are doing well after a tough few years.</description>
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<p>Come on the Irish Honey Bee!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0512/1224296752943.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0512/1224296752943.html</a></p>
<p>As well as believing everything I read in the papers, I talk to my local butcher who is a bee keeper, and his latest hives are doing well after a tough few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 00:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.
I worry that we can over-intellectualize a little bit,  The fact is that the money lending classes are taking our assets and taking our jobs.  They are dominating in the social pecking order and making people of real value feel worthless.  It is equivalent to the "droit de seigneur". All men feel that once they struggle to provide materially for their wives or family that they are vulnerable.  Women mightn't understand this but that us how men define themselves.
Odd thing is - this is what pushes them to fight.  The world is ready for the Greeks - it can absorb discontent in the land of Plato - is it ready for Islamic discontent meeting western disillusionment?  
It's important not to underestimate the visceral in all of this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.<br />
I worry that we can over-intellectualize a little bit,  The fact is that the money lending classes are taking our assets and taking our jobs.  They are dominating in the social pecking order and making people of real value feel worthless.  It is equivalent to the &#8220;droit de seigneur&#8221;. All men feel that once they struggle to provide materially for their wives or family that they are vulnerable.  Women mightn&#8217;t understand this but that us how men define themselves.<br />
Odd thing is - this is what pushes them to fight.  The world is ready for the Greeks - it can absorb discontent in the land of Plato - is it ready for Islamic discontent meeting western disillusionment?<br />
It&#8217;s important not to underestimate the visceral in all of this</p>
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		<title>By: hoganmahew</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoganmahew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah semiotics. Much maligned, much underused. Words and imagery shape how we respond, even to economic stimulus. The failure of rational response economics is, in part, a failure to understand this.

PS. The Irish honey bee is no more immune to CCD than any other species. Our island status has just delayed its arrival. The last winter was very bad. You may, eh, want to revisit your metaphor...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah semiotics. Much maligned, much underused. Words and imagery shape how we respond, even to economic stimulus. The failure of rational response economics is, in part, a failure to understand this.</p>
<p>PS. The Irish honey bee is no more immune to CCD than any other species. Our island status has just delayed its arrival. The last winter was very bad. You may, eh, want to revisit your metaphor&#8230;</p>
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