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		<title>By: PR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-272855</link>
		<dc:creator>PR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@seafóid

God bless America!</description>
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<p>God bless America!</p>
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		<title>By: seafóid</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-272780</link>
		<dc:creator>seafóid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PR guy 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/12/bill-maher-talks-palin-vs-bachmann_n_896204.html

Bill Maher appeared on "Piers Morgan Tonight" Monday night and got into a discussion about the 2012 Presidential election. Morgan wanted to know, if Maher had to choose, would he rather see Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann get the nomination?
"I hope that Palin gets in so that they split the MILF vote," Maher joked before making his choice: Bachmann.
"I guess Bachmann," Maher said, later adding that he was splitting hairs. "At least she's somebody who can read. She has a job; she was a lawyer; she's in Congress. She's not just someone who sits there and reads prayers on her Blackberry like Sarah Palin."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PR guy </p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/12/bill-maher-talks-palin-vs-bachmann_n_896204.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/12/bill-maher-talks-palin-vs-bachmann_n_896204.html</a></p>
<p>Bill Maher appeared on &#8220;Piers Morgan Tonight&#8221; Monday night and got into a discussion about the 2012 Presidential election. Morgan wanted to know, if Maher had to choose, would he rather see Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann get the nomination?<br />
&#8220;I hope that Palin gets in so that they split the MILF vote,&#8221; Maher joked before making his choice: Bachmann.<br />
&#8220;I guess Bachmann,&#8221; Maher said, later adding that he was splitting hairs. &#8220;At least she&#8217;s somebody who can read. She has a job; she was a lawyer; she&#8217;s in Congress. She&#8217;s not just someone who sits there and reads prayers on her Blackberry like Sarah Palin.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-272650</link>
		<dc:creator>PR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a nightmare vision for Europe (I hope this link works)

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=romney+picture&#38;hl=en&#38;biw=1024&#38;bih=571&#38;tbs=qdr:w&#38;tbm=isch&#38;tbnid=WBs0zEIEV-R4NM:&#38;imgrefurl=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mitt-romney/9214147/Palin-is-just-what-Romney-needs-and-the-very-last-person-he-wants.html&#38;docid=-EZcio5uZSFOgM&#38;imgurl=http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02198/romney_2198042b.jpg&#38;w=620&#38;h=388&#38;ei=XOiXT5KgLZOr8QP7xoHsBQ&#38;zoom=1&#38;iact=hc&#38;vpx=103&#38;vpy=202&#38;dur=6172&#38;hovh=177&#38;hovw=284&#38;tx=191&#38;ty=109&#38;sig=108317043071296333414&#38;page=1&#38;tbnh=133&#38;tbnw=213&#38;start=0&#38;ndsp=8&#38;ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:68</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a nightmare vision for Europe (I hope this link works)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=romney+picture&amp;hl=en&amp;biw=1024&amp;bih=571&amp;tbs=qdr:w&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbnid=WBs0zEIEV-R4NM:&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mitt-romney/9214147/Palin-is-just-what-Romney-needs-and-the-very-last-person-he-wants.html&amp;docid=-EZcio5uZSFOgM&amp;imgurl=http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02198/romney_2198042b.jpg&amp;w=620&amp;h=388&amp;ei=XOiXT5KgLZOr8QP7xoHsBQ&amp;zoom=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=103&amp;vpy=202&amp;dur=6172&amp;hovh=177&amp;hovw=284&amp;tx=191&amp;ty=109&amp;sig=108317043071296333414&amp;page=1&amp;tbnh=133&amp;tbnw=213&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=8&amp;ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:68" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=romney+picture&amp;hl=en&amp;biw=1024&amp;bih=571&amp;tbs=qdr:w&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbnid=WBs0zEIEV-R4NM:&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mitt-romney/9214147/Palin-is-just-what-Romney-needs-and-the-very-last-person-he-wants.html&amp;docid=-EZcio5uZSFOgM&amp;imgurl=http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02198/romney_2198042b.jpg&amp;w=620&amp;h=388&amp;ei=XOiXT5KgLZOr8QP7xoHsBQ&amp;zoom=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=103&amp;vpy=202&amp;dur=6172&amp;hovh=177&amp;hovw=284&amp;tx=191&amp;ty=109&amp;sig=108317043071296333414&amp;page=1&amp;tbnh=133&amp;tbnw=213&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=8&amp;ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:68</a></p>
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		<title>By: David O'Donnell</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-272411</link>
		<dc:creator>David O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI

IMF Survey: Tailored Approach to Debt and Growth Challenges in Europe’s Crisis Countries A build-up of debt after joining the euro zone led three very different countries to the doors of the International Monetary Fund as the global economic crisis took its toll on the Greek, Irish, and Portuguese economies. 

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2012/car042412a.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI</p>
<p>IMF Survey: Tailored Approach to Debt and Growth Challenges in Europe’s Crisis Countries A build-up of debt after joining the euro zone led three very different countries to the doors of the International Monetary Fund as the global economic crisis took its toll on the Greek, Irish, and Portuguese economies. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2012/car042412a.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2012/car042412a.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: PR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-272201</link>
		<dc:creator>PR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@seafóid

"It’s a signal that we are all in this together"

What... as in 'sharing the pain' and all that guff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@seafóid</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s a signal that we are all in this together&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8230; as in &#8217;sharing the pain&#8217; and all that guff?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Asmussen

"Third, the ECB has played its part by preventing a funding crisis in the banking sector. The two 3-year LTROs launched in December and February have eased bank funding pressures and stopped further deleveraging. This should over time support lending to firms and households across the euro area."

That statement is very far from the truth.

Further deleveraging has not been stopped. The Iirsh banks for instance operate under an edict of deleveraging. So too apparantly does NAMA. Whya else would it be paying back bonds that are not due until 2020.

Deleveraging is doing far far more damage than 'austerity' ever will.
The austerity cutbacks are miniscule in comparison to the deleveraging agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Asmussen</p>
<p>&#8220;Third, the ECB has played its part by preventing a funding crisis in the banking sector. The two 3-year LTROs launched in December and February have eased bank funding pressures and stopped further deleveraging. This should over time support lending to firms and households across the euro area.&#8221;</p>
<p>That statement is very far from the truth.</p>
<p>Further deleveraging has not been stopped. The Iirsh banks for instance operate under an edict of deleveraging. So too apparantly does NAMA. Whya else would it be paying back bonds that are not due until 2020.</p>
<p>Deleveraging is doing far far more damage than &#8216;austerity&#8217; ever will.<br />
The austerity cutbacks are miniscule in comparison to the deleveraging agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: seafóid</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-272130</link>
		<dc:creator>seafóid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ PR guy

It's a signal that we are all in this together</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ PR guy</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a signal that we are all in this together</p>
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		<title>By: Colm Brazel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colm Brazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overall, I believe the IMF is being caught in the headlights and wrong footed in relation to the unfolding crisis in Ireland and in the EMU. It is not a good omen for the IMF which in recent years has begun to rid itself of the legacy of culpable mismanagement of economic crisis in earlier years particularly in South America, Argentina. Stiglitz has criticised the IMF for adopting an austerity stance instead of a Keynesian mandate. But even within its own ideology, in Ireland's case, it failed to counter the ECB stance against burden sharing; in recent weeks, it is proposing that debt for equity swaps in banking in Ireland be adopted as a counter measure in the context of growth rates falling to .5 % signal that the current bailout has failed. On the European stage, it is behind the ESM bazooka, which appears once again to be endorsement of austerity with fuel for the banks. None of these measures seem to be working and arguably they are counter productive. One could say at this point, IMF is not part of any solution to the problems faced by the euro, it is part of the problem, a BIG part :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall, I believe the IMF is being caught in the headlights and wrong footed in relation to the unfolding crisis in Ireland and in the EMU. It is not a good omen for the IMF which in recent years has begun to rid itself of the legacy of culpable mismanagement of economic crisis in earlier years particularly in South America, Argentina. Stiglitz has criticised the IMF for adopting an austerity stance instead of a Keynesian mandate. But even within its own ideology, in Ireland&#8217;s case, it failed to counter the ECB stance against burden sharing; in recent weeks, it is proposing that debt for equity swaps in banking in Ireland be adopted as a counter measure in the context of growth rates falling to .5 % signal that the current bailout has failed. On the European stage, it is behind the ESM bazooka, which appears once again to be endorsement of austerity with fuel for the banks. None of these measures seem to be working and arguably they are counter productive. One could say at this point, IMF is not part of any solution to the problems faced by the euro, it is part of the problem, a BIG part <img src='http://www.irisheconomy.ie/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: PR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-272106</link>
		<dc:creator>PR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@seafóid

"members of the Greek and Spanish über elites are snapping up homes in Mayfair"

They all seem to be jumping ship like crazy at the moment. Not just buying properties but moving there with their families (or to the other usual suspects e.g. CH, USA, etc.). 

I wonder what that tells us?

Surely the ship isn't sinking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@seafóid</p>
<p>&#8220;members of the Greek and Spanish über elites are snapping up homes in Mayfair&#8221;</p>
<p>They all seem to be jumping ship like crazy at the moment. Not just buying properties but moving there with their families (or to the other usual suspects e.g. CH, USA, etc.). </p>
<p>I wonder what that tells us?</p>
<p>Surely the ship isn&#8217;t sinking?</p>
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		<title>By: seafóid</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-272100</link>
		<dc:creator>seafóid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be interesting to see what impact the rejection of Sarko and the fall of the Dutch Government over austerity have. Something isn't working.  

There is also something pathetic about Lagarde trawling the third world for spons for the IMF's next bailout of the EZ while members of the Greek and Spanish über elites are snapping up homes in Mayfair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see what impact the rejection of Sarko and the fall of the Dutch Government over austerity have. Something isn&#8217;t working.  </p>
<p>There is also something pathetic about Lagarde trawling the third world for spons for the IMF&#8217;s next bailout of the EZ while members of the Greek and Spanish über elites are snapping up homes in Mayfair.</p>
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		<title>By: PR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-272097</link>
		<dc:creator>PR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul W

"Ireland had to help itself"

Er, that's a polite way of saying that nobody else is going to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul W</p>
<p>&#8220;Ireland had to help itself&#8221;</p>
<p>Er, that&#8217;s a polite way of saying that nobody else is going to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-271971</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last one for now:

http://blogs.reuters.com/macroscope/2012/04/23/roubini-takes-on-the-ecb/

All-in-all, a very interesting But worrying) day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last one for now:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/macroscope/2012/04/23/roubini-takes-on-the-ecb/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.reuters.com/macroscope/2012/04/23/roubini-takes-on-the-ecb/</a></p>
<p>All-in-all, a very interesting But worrying) day.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan Moore from Roubini's team:

http://www.economonitor.com/analysts/2012/04/23/spain-following-in-irelands-footsteps/

"Given the similarities between the Irish and Spanish cases so far, one has to wonder if the success of the Irish bailout programme could be a sneak preview of things to come in Spain.
 
Let’s hope not.
 
Ireland has been held up as a success story by the European Commission, the ECB and the IMF (the so-called troika). This is true in a relative sense—conditions in Ireland are better than those in the other two bailout countries, Greece and Portugal. But Ireland dipped back into recession in the second half of 2011, and with domestic demand set to contract further and foreign demand weakening, it is unlikely the country will find sustainable growth in the next few years. Consequently, Ireland will almost certainly require a second bailout programme when its first programme expires.
 
This highlights a crucial difference between the Irish and Spanish cases: size.
 
Ireland is small enough for a second round of EU/IMF funding to be affordable if it is needed. Spain is not.
 
There is only enough money in the EU/IMF arsenal to bail Spain out once. If Spain were to fail to find sustainable growth during the course of a first bailout, it would get no second roll of the dice. Instead, we would face a debt restructuring in one of the EZ’s largest economies, with detrimental effects on global growth."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan Moore from Roubini&#8217;s team:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economonitor.com/analysts/2012/04/23/spain-following-in-irelands-footsteps/" rel="nofollow">http://www.economonitor.com/analysts/2012/04/23/spain-following-in-irelands-footsteps/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Given the similarities between the Irish and Spanish cases so far, one has to wonder if the success of the Irish bailout programme could be a sneak preview of things to come in Spain.</p>
<p>Let’s hope not.</p>
<p>Ireland has been held up as a success story by the European Commission, the ECB and the IMF (the so-called troika). This is true in a relative sense—conditions in Ireland are better than those in the other two bailout countries, Greece and Portugal. But Ireland dipped back into recession in the second half of 2011, and with domestic demand set to contract further and foreign demand weakening, it is unlikely the country will find sustainable growth in the next few years. Consequently, Ireland will almost certainly require a second bailout programme when its first programme expires.</p>
<p>This highlights a crucial difference between the Irish and Spanish cases: size.</p>
<p>Ireland is small enough for a second round of EU/IMF funding to be affordable if it is needed. Spain is not.</p>
<p>There is only enough money in the EU/IMF arsenal to bail Spain out once. If Spain were to fail to find sustainable growth during the course of a first bailout, it would get no second roll of the dice. Instead, we would face a debt restructuring in one of the EZ’s largest economies, with detrimental effects on global growth.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-271954</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this chronological diary today from the Telegraph today....We are entering a different stage in the Euro crisis:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/debt-crisis-live/9220235/Debt-crisis-as-it-happened-April-23-2012.html

As opined by me before, self-interest from our N Europeans will lead the way: "From Peter Thal Larsen of Reuters Breakingviews, pointing out the Dutch cabinet who have failed to push through an austerity budget have been cheerleaders for everyone else making cuts across Europe".

Then Germany:

"The Netherlands may be having trouble with its austerity measures - despite being a vocal advocate for similar steps in Greece - but Germany is having no similar bother, says finance ministry spokesman Martin Kotthaus.
 
I see no difference from before and after the fiscal pact. The mood actually is improving. 

.......European markets have edged yet further downwards."

Accelerating downwards.......The question is when will the Germans baulk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this chronological diary today from the Telegraph today&#8230;.We are entering a different stage in the Euro crisis:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/debt-crisis-live/9220235/Debt-crisis-as-it-happened-April-23-2012.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/debt-crisis-live/9220235/Debt-crisis-as-it-happened-April-23-2012.html</a></p>
<p>As opined by me before, self-interest from our N Europeans will lead the way: &#8220;From Peter Thal Larsen of Reuters Breakingviews, pointing out the Dutch cabinet who have failed to push through an austerity budget have been cheerleaders for everyone else making cuts across Europe&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then Germany:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Netherlands may be having trouble with its austerity measures - despite being a vocal advocate for similar steps in Greece - but Germany is having no similar bother, says finance ministry spokesman Martin Kotthaus.</p>
<p>I see no difference from before and after the fiscal pact. The mood actually is improving. </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.European markets have edged yet further downwards.&#8221;</p>
<p>Accelerating downwards&#8230;&#8230;.The question is when will the Germans baulk.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hans-Werner Sinn in New York this afternoon:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/23/eurozone-greece-ifo-idUSL2E8FN8K820120423

Sinn contemplates a common Europeana bond eventually. However, he says "Uniform interest rates will lead to another mis-allocation of capital in Europe" 

On Ireland "He said Ireland has been successful in cutting its prices and trimming debt, relative to other troubled euro zone countries, because its housing bubble began to deflate before the ECB and the European Union rolled out cheap loans and rescue programs. "Ireland had to help itself," he said." 

Ireland has helped itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hans-Werner Sinn in New York this afternoon:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/23/eurozone-greece-ifo-idUSL2E8FN8K820120423" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/23/eurozone-greece-ifo-idUSL2E8FN8K820120423</a></p>
<p>Sinn contemplates a common Europeana bond eventually. However, he says &#8220;Uniform interest rates will lead to another mis-allocation of capital in Europe&#8221; </p>
<p>On Ireland &#8220;He said Ireland has been successful in cutting its prices and trimming debt, relative to other troubled euro zone countries, because its housing bubble began to deflate before the ECB and the European Union rolled out cheap loans and rescue programs. &#8220;Ireland had to help itself,&#8221; he said.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ireland has helped itself?</p>
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		<title>By: grumpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frank G

Plan a) was to assume potential investors in bank bonds were utterly stupid, and incapable of imagining the possibility of a bank being forced to default on a senior creditor (eg Peter Sutherland's "unthinkable" comment) unless they actually experienced it. On this basis Ireland paying out on Anglo and co would ensure the continued success of the senior unsecured bond market.

Plan b) is to realise that plan a) was even more stupid than the bond investors were assumed to be under Plan a).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank G</p>
<p>Plan a) was to assume potential investors in bank bonds were utterly stupid, and incapable of imagining the possibility of a bank being forced to default on a senior creditor (eg Peter Sutherland&#8217;s &#8220;unthinkable&#8221; comment) unless they actually experienced it. On this basis Ireland paying out on Anglo and co would ensure the continued success of the senior unsecured bond market.</p>
<p>Plan b) is to realise that plan a) was even more stupid than the bond investors were assumed to be under Plan a).</p>
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		<title>By: seafóid</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-271883</link>
		<dc:creator>seafóid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ECB drugs don't work 
they just make things worse 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ0n3itoII&#38;ob=av2e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ECB drugs don&#8217;t work<br />
they just make things worse </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ0n3itoII&amp;ob=av2e" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ0n3itoII&amp;ob=av2e</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ CP Good article indeed.

http://youtu.be/jQfbJuBLDak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ CP Good article indeed.</p>
<p><a href="http://youtu.be/jQfbJuBLDak" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/jQfbJuBLDak</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Dork of Cork</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dork of Cork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People need to ask themselves very simple questions as they tend to forget....... especially with regard the divisions of power and competence.

Such as why a Central banker has the competence to speak about the Labour market.
A central banker should not have any role in Money except in the execution of a treasuries orders , never mind the Labour market.

Their function is in the credit / collateral sphere and the credit /collateral sphere only.
Their political power should be challenged head on as the apparent money power given to them by weak and corrupt treasuries should be ripped out of their soft delicate hands.

Absurd statements such as this should not go unchallenged.
"Take the example of Spain. The labour market reforms I mentioned are essential to increase employment. The Spanish labour market has for too long been organised in a way that protects insiders. This is what lies behind the very high rate of youth unemployment"

What lies behind the Spanish unemployment figures is a credit hyperinflation malinvestment episode followed by a lack of money creation.

These men are a den of vipers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to ask themselves very simple questions as they tend to forget&#8230;&#8230;. especially with regard the divisions of power and competence.</p>
<p>Such as why a Central banker has the competence to speak about the Labour market.<br />
A central banker should not have any role in Money except in the execution of a treasuries orders , never mind the Labour market.</p>
<p>Their function is in the credit / collateral sphere and the credit /collateral sphere only.<br />
Their political power should be challenged head on as the apparent money power given to them by weak and corrupt treasuries should be ripped out of their soft delicate hands.</p>
<p>Absurd statements such as this should not go unchallenged.<br />
&#8220;Take the example of Spain. The labour market reforms I mentioned are essential to increase employment. The Spanish labour market has for too long been organised in a way that protects insiders. This is what lies behind the very high rate of youth unemployment&#8221;</p>
<p>What lies behind the Spanish unemployment figures is a credit hyperinflation malinvestment episode followed by a lack of money creation.</p>
<p>These men are a den of vipers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceterisparibus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceterisparibus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article on why Spain is in deep doo dah ....

"Since then, prices have fallen by roughly one-fifth. Now, Spain's banking sector is caught in a downward spiral of falling prices and bad loans. Citigroup estimates that the country's financial industry has over €1 trillion in loans on its books that are linked to the real estate market. In late 2011, nearly one-tenth of these loans were junk."

Sounds familiar.
The vision of the future in Europe is bleak as explained here...
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,828996,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article on why Spain is in deep doo dah &#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Since then, prices have fallen by roughly one-fifth. Now, Spain&#8217;s banking sector is caught in a downward spiral of falling prices and bad loans. Citigroup estimates that the country&#8217;s financial industry has over €1 trillion in loans on its books that are linked to the real estate market. In late 2011, nearly one-tenth of these loans were junk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds familiar.<br />
The vision of the future in Europe is bleak as explained here&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,828996,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,828996,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shay Begorrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shay Begorrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With apologies to Mr Blair:

If you want a picture of the ECB's future, imagine institutionalized austerity grinding society down — forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With apologies to Mr Blair:</p>
<p>If you want a picture of the ECB&#8217;s future, imagine institutionalized austerity grinding society down — forever.</p>
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		<title>By: seafóid</title>
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		<dc:creator>seafóid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Et là tu te dis que c'est fini 
Car pire que ça ce serait la mort
 Quand tu crois enfin que tu t'en sors 
Quand y en a plus et ben y en a encore
 Est-ce la zik ou les problèmes, les problèmes ou bien la musique
 Ça te prend les tripes 
Ça te prend la tête 
Et puis tu pries pour que ça s'arrête
 Mais c'est ton corps, c’est pas le ciel 
Alors tu te bouches plus les oreilles
 Et là tu cries encore plus fort, mais ça persiste
 Alors on chante 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHoT4N43jK8&#38;ob=av2e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Et là tu te dis que c&#8217;est fini<br />
Car pire que ça ce serait la mort<br />
 Quand tu crois enfin que tu t&#8217;en sors<br />
Quand y en a plus et ben y en a encore<br />
 Est-ce la zik ou les problèmes, les problèmes ou bien la musique<br />
 Ça te prend les tripes<br />
Ça te prend la tête<br />
Et puis tu pries pour que ça s&#8217;arrête<br />
 Mais c&#8217;est ton corps, c’est pas le ciel<br />
Alors tu te bouches plus les oreilles<br />
 Et là tu cries encore plus fort, mais ça persiste<br />
 Alors on chante </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHoT4N43jK8&amp;ob=av2e" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHoT4N43jK8&amp;ob=av2e</a></p>
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		<title>By: Frank Galton</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/04/23/ecb-visions-of-the-future/#comment-271766</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Galton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Asmussen's remarks

&lt;em&gt;The strongest effect of the LTROs has been on bank funding. Euro area banks issued EUR 55 billion in senior unsecured bank debt in the first two months of this year, more than the whole amount in the second half of last year. This is exactly what the LTROs were intended to achieve: to prevent a bank funding crisis. Over time we expect this to feed into higher credit for firms and households.&lt;/em&gt;

If the LTROs revived the market for senior unsecured bank debt, then what was the contribution of having Ireland service such legacy debt in insolvent banks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Asmussen&#8217;s remarks</p>
<p><em>The strongest effect of the LTROs has been on bank funding. Euro area banks issued EUR 55 billion in senior unsecured bank debt in the first two months of this year, more than the whole amount in the second half of last year. This is exactly what the LTROs were intended to achieve: to prevent a bank funding crisis. Over time we expect this to feed into higher credit for firms and households.</em></p>
<p>If the LTROs revived the market for senior unsecured bank debt, then what was the contribution of having Ireland service such legacy debt in insolvent banks?</p>
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