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		<title>By: EU Citizens</title>
		<link>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/12/10/notes-from-the-continent-where-good-times-are-always-just-around-the-corner/#comment-358789</link>
		<dc:creator>EU Citizens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently, Paul Krugman said that "The Euro is a shaky construction" – and no one can deny this statement. The Euro has been designed – by Delors et al – as a "single currency" instead of a (much more realistic) "common currency", and now it is very clear that this was a very bad choice. It is quite obvious that the “bad romance” between France and Germany must come to an end and be replaced by a solid, long lasting friendship:

http://www.marianne.net/Un-appel-franco-allemand-d-economistes-pour-une-...

Twenty years after the Maastricht Treaty, a "Maastricht 2.0" Treaty is required, as soon as possible, so as to avoid a sad situation, in the near future, where the foreseen "European common home" becomes replaced by a true "European house of correction". We need to build a true European Union through a cooperative European disunion:

http://building-a-true-european-union.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, Paul Krugman said that &#8220;The Euro is a shaky construction&#8221; – and no one can deny this statement. The Euro has been designed – by Delors et al – as a &#8220;single currency&#8221; instead of a (much more realistic) &#8220;common currency&#8221;, and now it is very clear that this was a very bad choice. It is quite obvious that the “bad romance” between France and Germany must come to an end and be replaced by a solid, long lasting friendship:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marianne.net/Un-appel-franco-allemand-d-economistes-pour-une-.." rel="nofollow">http://www.marianne.net/Un-appel-franco-allemand-d-economistes-pour-une-..</a>.</p>
<p>Twenty years after the Maastricht Treaty, a &#8220;Maastricht 2.0&#8243; Treaty is required, as soon as possible, so as to avoid a sad situation, in the near future, where the foreseen &#8220;European common home&#8221; becomes replaced by a true &#8220;European house of correction&#8221;. We need to build a true European Union through a cooperative European disunion:</p>
<p><a href="http://building-a-true-european-union.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://building-a-true-european-union.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fiatluxjnr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiatluxjnr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tull
Methinks the chances just got better if equality of treatment of bailout participants is implemented. It appears the Greeks are to be given even more money by way of debt forgiveness.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_13/12/2012_474302</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tull<br />
Methinks the chances just got better if equality of treatment of bailout participants is implemented. It appears the Greeks are to be given even more money by way of debt forgiveness.<br />
<a href="http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_13/12/2012_474302" rel="nofollow">http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_13/12/2012_474302</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tullmcadoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tullmcadoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eureka, 
Fine , default on the PN. There is a good chance that nothing really bad will happen. There is probably a similar chance that something really bad will happen. The ATM might not spew out euros, tax rates would go to 70% or something and the carers would not get paid. 

Do you feel lucky? 
Robt,
PN were a stroke of genius. If we had to raise really money we would be in real trouble. There is a slim chance we negotiate a deal on these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eureka,<br />
Fine , default on the PN. There is a good chance that nothing really bad will happen. There is probably a similar chance that something really bad will happen. The ATM might not spew out euros, tax rates would go to 70% or something and the carers would not get paid. </p>
<p>Do you feel lucky?<br />
Robt,<br />
PN were a stroke of genius. If we had to raise really money we would be in real trouble. There is a slim chance we negotiate a deal on these.</p>
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		<title>By: Monti, agenda o libro dei morti? - Michele Carugi - Il Fatto Quotidiano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monti, agenda o libro dei morti? - Michele Carugi - Il Fatto Quotidiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] che ci mancheranno all&#8217;emergere chiaro di segni di ripresa”. Come causticamente scrive Kevin OʼRourke, professore di storia dellʼeconomia all&#8217;Università di Oxford “per gli euroﬁli i tempi buoni sono sempre dietro lʼangolo”. Per essere un “tecnico”, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] che ci mancheranno all&#8217;emergere chiaro di segni di ripresa”. Come causticamente scrive Kevin OʼRourke, professore di storia dellʼeconomia all&#8217;Università di Oxford “per gli euroﬁli i tempi buoni sono sempre dietro lʼangolo”. Per essere un “tecnico”, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David O'Donnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>David O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael Hennigan

'The line on exports and unit labour costs is simply nonsense

+1 Total nonsense. I had/may still have hopes for Stephen ... slipping ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael Hennigan</p>
<p>&#8216;The line on exports and unit labour costs is simply nonsense</p>
<p>+1 Total nonsense. I had/may still have hopes for Stephen &#8230; slipping &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David O'Donnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>David O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shay

Imperialist is sufficient.</description>
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<p>Imperialist is sufficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hennigan - Finfacts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hennigan - Finfacts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 07:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ grumpy

Conventional wisdom soundbites should always be viewed with caution!
The trade figures to not support the devaluationists. Of course the impact of the collapse of the financial soufflé on the trade figures can overstate the actual effect on the economy.

Looking behind the jobs data, reveals an interesting economic trend that is also evident in the US:

&lt;b&gt;UK underemployment rises by 1m; Most new jobs growth at top and bottom of economic pyramid &lt;/b&gt;

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1025332.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ grumpy</p>
<p>Conventional wisdom soundbites should always be viewed with caution!<br />
The trade figures to not support the devaluationists. Of course the impact of the collapse of the financial soufflé on the trade figures can overstate the actual effect on the economy.</p>
<p>Looking behind the jobs data, reveals an interesting economic trend that is also evident in the US:</p>
<p><b>UK underemployment rises by 1m; Most new jobs growth at top and bottom of economic pyramid </b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1025332.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1025332.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hennigan - Finfacts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hennigan - Finfacts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 07:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Kinsella presents a schizophrenic take on the economy in an article in 'Foreign Affairs,' for a mainly American audience 

&lt;b&gt;How Ireland Got Its Groove Back&lt;/b&gt;

First a reprise of the official line, reminiscent of bubbletime propaganda for international audiences:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The country's prime minister, Enda Kenny, recently graced the cover of Time, accompanied by the headline "The Celtic Comeback," and the Financial Times called Ireland's finance minister one of the best in Europe. The nation's largest banks can borrow again on the open market. 

The interest rates on Ireland's sovereign bonds -- seen as key indicators of the probability of default -- are rapidly falling. Rating agencies such as Moody's and Fitch have upgraded their outlooks on the country and some of its banks.

The turnaround seemed nearly complete last summer, when the government held two successful sovereign bond auctions and planned many more for the next year. By late 2013 or early 2014, Ireland should no longer need the assistance it has received from the EU and the IMF. The economy is still growing slowly in terms of GDP, but it is far from collapsing.&lt;b&gt; Exports have driven most of this growth, thanks to unit labor costs that have fallen faster than those of any other country in Europe.&lt;/b&gt; Irish banks are deleveraging -- dumping bad loans, basically -- in order to shrink their balance sheets down to a more manageable size. Ireland is still a haven for multinational corporations searching for low taxes and a flexible, young, skilled labor force.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The line on exports and unit labour costs is simply nonsense. The fantasy that Dell can fire 2,000 workers in Limerick and remain Ireland's biggest goods exporter on paper, speaks for itself; Google's Irish payroll in 2011 was €218m and the almost 20% jump in sales revenues to €12.4bn results from 'falling' unit labour costs? The real facts are that what is seen here is reverse causality.   

Kinsella adds that domestic demand has flatlined:     

&lt;blockquote&gt;All this suggests that the prospects for a robust recovery seem slim. Even if demand somehow bounced back tomorrow, Ireland would still have enormous amounts of debt to repay, which will hamper growth for the foreseeable future. Ireland, in other words, may have reached only the halfway marker in its lost decade.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/138490/stephen-kinsella/how-ireland-got-its-groove-back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Kinsella presents a schizophrenic take on the economy in an article in &#8216;Foreign Affairs,&#8217; for a mainly American audience </p>
<p><b>How Ireland Got Its Groove Back</b></p>
<p>First a reprise of the official line, reminiscent of bubbletime propaganda for international audiences:</p>
<blockquote><p>The country&#8217;s prime minister, Enda Kenny, recently graced the cover of Time, accompanied by the headline &#8220;The Celtic Comeback,&#8221; and the Financial Times called Ireland&#8217;s finance minister one of the best in Europe. The nation&#8217;s largest banks can borrow again on the open market. </p>
<p>The interest rates on Ireland&#8217;s sovereign bonds &#8212; seen as key indicators of the probability of default &#8212; are rapidly falling. Rating agencies such as Moody&#8217;s and Fitch have upgraded their outlooks on the country and some of its banks.</p>
<p>The turnaround seemed nearly complete last summer, when the government held two successful sovereign bond auctions and planned many more for the next year. By late 2013 or early 2014, Ireland should no longer need the assistance it has received from the EU and the IMF. The economy is still growing slowly in terms of GDP, but it is far from collapsing.<b> Exports have driven most of this growth, thanks to unit labor costs that have fallen faster than those of any other country in Europe.</b> Irish banks are deleveraging &#8212; dumping bad loans, basically &#8212; in order to shrink their balance sheets down to a more manageable size. Ireland is still a haven for multinational corporations searching for low taxes and a flexible, young, skilled labor force.</p></blockquote>
<p>The line on exports and unit labour costs is simply nonsense. The fantasy that Dell can fire 2,000 workers in Limerick and remain Ireland&#8217;s biggest goods exporter on paper, speaks for itself; Google&#8217;s Irish payroll in 2011 was €218m and the almost 20% jump in sales revenues to €12.4bn results from &#8216;falling&#8217; unit labour costs? The real facts are that what is seen here is reverse causality.   </p>
<p>Kinsella adds that domestic demand has flatlined:     </p>
<blockquote><p>All this suggests that the prospects for a robust recovery seem slim. Even if demand somehow bounced back tomorrow, Ireland would still have enormous amounts of debt to repay, which will hamper growth for the foreseeable future. Ireland, in other words, may have reached only the halfway marker in its lost decade.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/138490/stephen-kinsella/how-ireland-got-its-groove-back" rel="nofollow">http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/138490/stephen-kinsella/how-ireland-got-its-groove-back</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fulcrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fulcrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olli Rehn:
“It is true that the correction of current account imbalances has so far come predominantly in deficit countries, but this is no surprise given the scale of the challenges they face. As John Maynard Keynes noted before the Bretton Woods talks, such adjustment is “compulsory for the debtor and voluntary for the creditor”.

Oh my god.

You may bet on illiteracy.  I do on intentional misquotation.

Sheesh.  We are governed by either total idiots or cynical career bureaucrats who basically don't give a toss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olli Rehn:<br />
“It is true that the correction of current account imbalances has so far come predominantly in deficit countries, but this is no surprise given the scale of the challenges they face. As John Maynard Keynes noted before the Bretton Woods talks, such adjustment is “compulsory for the debtor and voluntary for the creditor”.</p>
<p>Oh my god.</p>
<p>You may bet on illiteracy.  I do on intentional misquotation.</p>
<p>Sheesh.  We are governed by either total idiots or cynical career bureaucrats who basically don&#8217;t give a toss.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dork of Cork.</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dork of Cork.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John
Well the face value of silver maple leafs is low (5 canadian to a troy ounce I think) 

I am too tired now to do the numbers but sterling silver at how many grams ?

I bet its a handy profit.

But it looks a nice coin - those Numismatics serve a different function anyway......

I am gone off the shiny stuff since 2011 , I hold some and forget about it.

It looks more and more like a deflation of titanic size......which means silver will most likely get hammered.

Who knows though ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John<br />
Well the face value of silver maple leafs is low (5 canadian to a troy ounce I think) </p>
<p>I am too tired now to do the numbers but sterling silver at how many grams ?</p>
<p>I bet its a handy profit.</p>
<p>But it looks a nice coin - those Numismatics serve a different function anyway&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I am gone off the shiny stuff since 2011 , I hold some and forget about it.</p>
<p>It looks more and more like a deflation of titanic size&#8230;&#8230;which means silver will most likely get hammered.</p>
<p>Who knows though ?</p>
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		<title>By: John Gallaher</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gallaher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The Dork I "get" your comments and thoroughly enjoy the links,catching up on Savage Eye especially.
Thought you may enjoy a "central bank" minting silver coins with a face value of 15 but charging 46 for them.
Was it for this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Dork I &#8220;get&#8221; your comments and thoroughly enjoy the links,catching up on Savage Eye especially.<br />
Thought you may enjoy a &#8220;central bank&#8221; minting silver coins with a face value of 15 but charging 46 for them.<br />
Was it for this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Dork of Cork.</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dork of Cork.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John
I was thinking of Treasury stuff , or pure fiat as I like to call it.

The CB like all banks does its double entry credit thingy turning it into debt or something.

Commercial banks do their credit money poison thingy &#38; afterwards try to hoover up all that nice fiscal debt until you run out of tokens 
Pumping &#38; dumping you into infinity.


And then you can have commodity money......which is not good for paying the tax thingy but is nice &#38; shiny.

Think of pure fiat as a King who waps his wad on the counter.......and then incrediabily wants it back again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John<br />
I was thinking of Treasury stuff , or pure fiat as I like to call it.</p>
<p>The CB like all banks does its double entry credit thingy turning it into debt or something.</p>
<p>Commercial banks do their credit money poison thingy &amp; afterwards try to hoover up all that nice fiscal debt until you run out of tokens<br />
Pumping &amp; dumping you into infinity.</p>
<p>And then you can have commodity money&#8230;&#8230;which is not good for paying the tax thingy but is nice &amp; shiny.</p>
<p>Think of pure fiat as a King who waps his wad on the counter&#8230;&#8230;.and then incrediabily wants it back again.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shay Begorrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shay Begorrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="#comment-357355" rel="nofollow"&gt;@Gavin Kostick&lt;/a&gt; on Olli Rehn's latest FT emission.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think there is an element of dog whistling: ‘look, I’ve mentioned, Keynes’, but it is coming out of each side of his mouth&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The speech writer was quoting scripture to suit the devil's needs and &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/yanisvaroufakis/status/278385093909807104" rel="nofollow"&gt;Yanis Varofakis&lt;/a&gt; noticed it too.

It is doubtful that Rehn is a big Keynes reader and that misleading and dishonest quote is a warning to progressives that the reactionaries are still ascendant and still strongly determined.  Distasteful and boorish but also a helpful reminder of who is in charge.

@DOCM

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Rehn has to move cautiously because of the ingrained unwillingness in Germany to see anything wrong with its approach to economic policy.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Olli Rehn meant what he said and what he said could have come out of the mouth of Merkel, Schäuble or any other Christian Democrat blowhard in the Eurozone's creditor bloc (or any banker).

Of course "Pacta Sunt Servanda" Rehn parroted the German line verbatim because he believes it and intends to enforce it, the Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs and the Euro is every bit as radically right wing (and wrong) as Merkel.

&lt;a href="#comment-357574" rel="nofollow"&gt;@David O'Donnell&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Angela: A Portrait (worth reading … &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That &lt;a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/analysis-of-chancellor-merkel-euro-crisis-approach-a-872195.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; on Merkel is indeed worth reading.

I like to refer to her as our Teutonic Thatcher and  I think that because of the affection most Irish feel for the Germans we have tended to misjudge just how radical (and dangerous) the politics of their premier are for Ireland.

And as for her approach being &lt;i&gt;"pedagogical imperialism"&lt;/i&gt; I am not sure the pedagogical is required.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-357355" rel="nofollow">@Gavin Kostick</a> on Olli Rehn&#8217;s latest FT emission.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think there is an element of dog whistling: ‘look, I’ve mentioned, Keynes’, but it is coming out of each side of his mouth</p></blockquote>
<p>The speech writer was quoting scripture to suit the devil&#8217;s needs and <a href="https://twitter.com/yanisvaroufakis/status/278385093909807104" rel="nofollow">Yanis Varofakis</a> noticed it too.</p>
<p>It is doubtful that Rehn is a big Keynes reader and that misleading and dishonest quote is a warning to progressives that the reactionaries are still ascendant and still strongly determined.  Distasteful and boorish but also a helpful reminder of who is in charge.</p>
<p>@DOCM</p>
<blockquote><p>
Rehn has to move cautiously because of the ingrained unwillingness in Germany to see anything wrong with its approach to economic policy.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Olli Rehn meant what he said and what he said could have come out of the mouth of Merkel, Schäuble or any other Christian Democrat blowhard in the Eurozone&#8217;s creditor bloc (or any banker).</p>
<p>Of course &#8220;Pacta Sunt Servanda&#8221; Rehn parroted the German line verbatim because he believes it and intends to enforce it, the Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs and the Euro is every bit as radically right wing (and wrong) as Merkel.</p>
<p><a href="#comment-357574" rel="nofollow">@David O&#8217;Donnell</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Angela: A Portrait (worth reading … </p></blockquote>
<p>That <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/analysis-of-chancellor-merkel-euro-crisis-approach-a-872195.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> on Merkel is indeed worth reading.</p>
<p>I like to refer to her as our Teutonic Thatcher and  I think that because of the affection most Irish feel for the Germans we have tended to misjudge just how radical (and dangerous) the politics of their premier are for Ireland.</p>
<p>And as for her approach being <i>&#8220;pedagogical imperialism&#8221;</i> I am not sure the pedagogical is required&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: John Gallaher</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gallaher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The Dork here ya go a ,central bank producing "money" and a explanation for the fluctuations in British silver balances..maybe you can explain how a 15 euro coin costs you 46 euros to buy,nice that it is and all that.
http://www.centralbank.ie/press-area/press-releases/Pages/CentralBankofIrelandissues15silverproofcollectorcoin.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Dork here ya go a ,central bank producing &#8220;money&#8221; and a explanation for the fluctuations in British silver balances..maybe you can explain how a 15 euro coin costs you 46 euros to buy,nice that it is and all that.<br />
<a href="http://www.centralbank.ie/press-area/press-releases/Pages/CentralBankofIrelandissues15silverproofcollectorcoin.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.centralbank.ie/press-area/press-releases/Pages/CentralBankofIrelandissues15silverproofcollectorcoin.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Dork of Cork.</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dork of Cork.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@FIat
Who knows with silver ! - its only a firework
Its such a small market   (I think)

They might keep it together for another Christmas....

The French are getting a bit desperate with their celebrations though.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exvq97gYQD4

Still they now have more useful stuff (for the other side of this monetary event) then us poor Irish.
We made the ultimate sacrifice to keep Europe from imploding..........

Hold on , I think I am going to cry.........

Eamon Eamon EAMON</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FIat<br />
Who knows with silver ! - its only a firework<br />
Its such a small market   (I think)</p>
<p>They might keep it together for another Christmas&#8230;.</p>
<p>The French are getting a bit desperate with their celebrations though&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exvq97gYQD4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exvq97gYQD4</a></p>
<p>Still they now have more useful stuff (for the other side of this monetary event) then us poor Irish.<br />
We made the ultimate sacrifice to keep Europe from imploding&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Hold on , I think I am going to cry&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Eamon Eamon EAMON</p>
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		<title>By: Fiatluxjnr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiatluxjnr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dork
I hope you are wrong dork...it's about to blow....especially after our esteemed leader Eamon declares victory...from IT
"Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore said “we know that the sharp end of this crisis is being felt every day in households in every town, village and suburb. We will not exaggerate our achievements but the end is in sight. When we win this fight, say goodbye to the troika, when our economy is sound and healthy and we have created more jobs and more opportunities, it will be the men and women of this Government alone who have said that we stood shoulder to shoulder with the Irish people.”

HSJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dork<br />
I hope you are wrong dork&#8230;it&#8217;s about to blow&#8230;.especially after our esteemed leader Eamon declares victory&#8230;from IT<br />
&#8220;Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore said “we know that the sharp end of this crisis is being felt every day in households in every town, village and suburb. We will not exaggerate our achievements but the end is in sight. When we win this fight, say goodbye to the troika, when our economy is sound and healthy and we have created more jobs and more opportunities, it will be the men and women of this Government alone who have said that we stood shoulder to shoulder with the Irish people.”</p>
<p>HSJ.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dork of Cork.</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dork of Cork.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fiat]
Maybe some bankers think they produce money but I doubt it..........

They produce credit

There is a mountain of credit chasing yield where there is none..........

Their free trade schemes used to bypass labour on a local &#38; global scale has really produced a mountain of externalties.

Its about to blow me thinks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fiat]<br />
Maybe some bankers think they produce money but I doubt it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>They produce credit</p>
<p>There is a mountain of credit chasing yield where there is none&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Their free trade schemes used to bypass labour on a local &amp; global scale has really produced a mountain of externalties.</p>
<p>Its about to blow me thinks</p>
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		<title>By: Fiatluxjnr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiatluxjnr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DOD
Forget Angela ...here's where the real power resides. It's kind of frightening.
Article entitled "inside the risky bets of central bankers" in today's WSJ. (inside pay wall)
This link seems to have all of the article...
http://fbkfinanzwirtschaft.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/inside-the-risky-bets-of-central-banks/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DOD<br />
Forget Angela &#8230;here&#8217;s where the real power resides. It&#8217;s kind of frightening.<br />
Article entitled &#8220;inside the risky bets of central bankers&#8221; in today&#8217;s WSJ. (inside pay wall)<br />
This link seems to have all of the article&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://fbkfinanzwirtschaft.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/inside-the-risky-bets-of-central-banks/" rel="nofollow">http://fbkfinanzwirtschaft.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/inside-the-risky-bets-of-central-banks/</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Dork of Cork.</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dork of Cork.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me think all hell is going to break loose.

Silver trade balance UK (£ millions)

Y2002 : -165
Y2003 : -3
Y2004 : -80
Y2005 : +87
Y2006 :-577
Y2007 :+232
Y2008 :+1,169
Y2009 : -1,560
Y2010 : -108
Y2011 : -451

Ok now look at Y2012 so far – a different beast, so far at least.
Q1 : -473
Q2 :-1,372
Q3 : – 1,256
October : -440

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/uktrade/monthly-review-of-external-trade-statistics/october-2012/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me think all hell is going to break loose.</p>
<p>Silver trade balance UK (£ millions)</p>
<p>Y2002 : -165<br />
Y2003 : -3<br />
Y2004 : -80<br />
Y2005 : +87<br />
Y2006 :-577<br />
Y2007 :+232<br />
Y2008 :+1,169<br />
Y2009 : -1,560<br />
Y2010 : -108<br />
Y2011 : -451</p>
<p>Ok now look at Y2012 so far – a different beast, so far at least.<br />
Q1 : -473<br />
Q2 :-1,372<br />
Q3 : – 1,256<br />
October : -440</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/uktrade/monthly-review-of-external-trade-statistics/october-2012/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/uktrade/monthly-review-of-external-trade-statistics/october-2012/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David O'Donnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>David O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela: A Portrait  (worth reading ... 

12/12/2012 
  A Cold Heart for Europe 
Merkel's Dispassionate Approach to the Euro Crisis
By Konstantin von Hammerstein and René Pfister

Chancellor Merkel has more power in Europe than any of her postwar predecessors. Yet there is little passion in her relationship with the EU, preferring instead a strategy of what can only be described as pedagogical imperialism. She sees the bloc primarily in terms of euros and cents -- and worries that it is rapidly losing relevance.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/analysis-of-chancellor-merkel-euro-crisis-approach-a-872195.html

Now where did I put Wittgenstein's Poker? (the one he brandished at Popper!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela: A Portrait  (worth reading &#8230; </p>
<p>12/12/2012<br />
  A Cold Heart for Europe<br />
Merkel&#8217;s Dispassionate Approach to the Euro Crisis<br />
By Konstantin von Hammerstein and René Pfister</p>
<p>Chancellor Merkel has more power in Europe than any of her postwar predecessors. Yet there is little passion in her relationship with the EU, preferring instead a strategy of what can only be described as pedagogical imperialism. She sees the bloc primarily in terms of euros and cents &#8212; and worries that it is rapidly losing relevance.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/analysis-of-chancellor-merkel-euro-crisis-approach-a-872195.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/analysis-of-chancellor-merkel-euro-crisis-approach-a-872195.html</a></p>
<p>Now where did I put Wittgenstein&#8217;s Poker? (the one he brandished at Popper!</p>
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		<title>By: DOCM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOCM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jesper

Riding on the UK's coattails has its limitations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jesper</p>
<p>Riding on the UK&#8217;s coattails has its limitations!</p>
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		<title>By: DOCM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOCM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ All

The spirit of compromise seems to be breaking out all over.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/fd51e37a-4489-11e2-8fd7-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2Em62xS3Y</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ All</p>
<p>The spirit of compromise seems to be breaking out all over.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/fd51e37a-4489-11e2-8fd7-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2Em62xS3Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/fd51e37a-4489-11e2-8fd7-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2Em62xS3Y</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jesper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only ones surprised are the ones who are not listening:

Sweden still against EU banking union
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=2054&#38;grupp=3575&#38;artikel=5377412</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only ones surprised are the ones who are not listening:</p>
<p>Sweden still against EU banking union<br />
<a href="http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=2054&amp;grupp=3575&amp;artikel=5377412" rel="nofollow">http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=2054&amp;grupp=3575&amp;artikel=5377412</a></p>
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		<title>By: DOCM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOCM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jesper

Unfortunately, your finance minister appears to agree with you.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=3304&#38;grupp=6240&#38;artikel=5378859</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jesper</p>
<p>Unfortunately, your finance minister appears to agree with you.</p>
<p><a href="http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=3304&amp;grupp=6240&amp;artikel=5378859" rel="nofollow">http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=3304&amp;grupp=6240&amp;artikel=5378859</a></p>
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		<title>By: DOCM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOCM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ All

More dirty linen being washed in Deutsche Bank.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/verdacht-auf-geldwaesche-bei-der-deutschen-bank-im-kreis-drehen-und-dabei-reich-werden-1.1549115

The oldest trick in the book! A VAT carousel! Exports within the EU are "zero-rated" i.e. there is no genuine internal market when it comes value added taxes.

The domestic Irish version can be heard at many petrol stations; "Would you like a receipt with that?".

Alway say yes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ All</p>
<p>More dirty linen being washed in Deutsche Bank.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/verdacht-auf-geldwaesche-bei-der-deutschen-bank-im-kreis-drehen-und-dabei-reich-werden-1.1549115" rel="nofollow">http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/verdacht-auf-geldwaesche-bei-der-deutschen-bank-im-kreis-drehen-und-dabei-reich-werden-1.1549115</a></p>
<p>The oldest trick in the book! A VAT carousel! Exports within the EU are &#8220;zero-rated&#8221; i.e. there is no genuine internal market when it comes value added taxes.</p>
<p>The domestic Irish version can be heard at many petrol stations; &#8220;Would you like a receipt with that?&#8221;.</p>
<p>Alway say yes!</p>
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		<title>By: john gallaher</title>
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		<dc:creator>john gallaher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>papers available here
http://www.centralbank.ie/Pages/home.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>papers available here<br />
<a href="http://www.centralbank.ie/Pages/home.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.centralbank.ie/Pages/home.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: john gallaher</title>
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		<dc:creator>john gallaher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>linked it on other tread the new sheriff at conference yesterday..
"Similarly, on the criminal front, despite the efforts of the Gardaí, DPP and ODCE, we are still some way from the start of criminal proceedings, never mind their successful conclusion, of the cases arising from the financial crisis."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>linked it on other tread the new sheriff at conference yesterday..<br />
&#8220;Similarly, on the criminal front, despite the efforts of the Gardaí, DPP and ODCE, we are still some way from the start of criminal proceedings, never mind their successful conclusion, of the cases arising from the financial crisis.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gist of the article that DOCM linked to:

EBA? No need to monitor Swedish banks as closely as we currently do as the cost of a failure to regulate will no longer be paid for solely by us, the cost will be spread out over all of Europe.... 
It may or may not be what is intended but it is still the likeliest outcome. 

A long time ago, during my time in the military service, I was taught that spreading responsibility meant that no-one ends up being responsible. So, even in a two man group, one man was always told that if things go wrong then YOU will suffer the consequences. The one who happened to be the 'you' then knew he'd be in trouble if there were to be problems, so he made sure he did everything he could to stop things from going wrong.
An Irish example : It is said that everyone in Ireland partied and as a result not a single person in Ireland is responsible for anything that happened in the banking crisis. Whatever is happening with the investigation of possible wrongdoings in what used to be INBS and Anglo?

Laxer regulation of the banking industry does seem to be very beneficial for some. But for the rest of us who are not making out as bandits during good times and sticking others with the bill afterwards it is something else entirely.

EBA is a bad idea. Problem in banking was excessive risk-taking and the EBA does not address that problem at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gist of the article that DOCM linked to:</p>
<p>EBA? No need to monitor Swedish banks as closely as we currently do as the cost of a failure to regulate will no longer be paid for solely by us, the cost will be spread out over all of Europe&#8230;.<br />
It may or may not be what is intended but it is still the likeliest outcome. </p>
<p>A long time ago, during my time in the military service, I was taught that spreading responsibility meant that no-one ends up being responsible. So, even in a two man group, one man was always told that if things go wrong then YOU will suffer the consequences. The one who happened to be the &#8216;you&#8217; then knew he&#8217;d be in trouble if there were to be problems, so he made sure he did everything he could to stop things from going wrong.<br />
An Irish example : It is said that everyone in Ireland partied and as a result not a single person in Ireland is responsible for anything that happened in the banking crisis. Whatever is happening with the investigation of possible wrongdoings in what used to be INBS and Anglo?</p>
<p>Laxer regulation of the banking industry does seem to be very beneficial for some. But for the rest of us who are not making out as bandits during good times and sticking others with the bill afterwards it is something else entirely.</p>
<p>EBA is a bad idea. Problem in banking was excessive risk-taking and the EBA does not address that problem at all.</p>
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		<title>By: john gallaher</title>
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		<dc:creator>john gallaher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they already have a monitoring trustee' at IBRC implications for other irish banks...
"According to the Süddeutsche, German and French officials agreed that the ECB should supervise all banks deemed system-relevant, in addition to those being propped up with public money"
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/french-german-agreement-on-bank-oversight-boosts-hopes-for-eu-deal-a-872428.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they already have a monitoring trustee&#8217; at IBRC implications for other irish banks&#8230;<br />
&#8220;According to the Süddeutsche, German and French officials agreed that the ECB should supervise all banks deemed system-relevant, in addition to those being propped up with public money&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/french-german-agreement-on-bank-oversight-boosts-hopes-for-eu-deal-a-872428.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/french-german-agreement-on-bank-oversight-boosts-hopes-for-eu-deal-a-872428.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: DOCM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOCM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ All

Hallelujah!

Schaeuble - it seems - heads his nemesis off at the pass.

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<p>Hallelujah!</p>
<p>Schaeuble - it seems - heads his nemesis off at the pass.</p>
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